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#31 g.johnson

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Posted 29 June 2007 - 06:13 PM

Regardless of loss of money, people have lost their freedom.. If Mel Gibson wasnt a dumb bastard, I would have quoted Brave Heart right there..

The Scottish Parliament banned smoking in pubs some time ago.
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Posted 29 June 2007 - 06:18 PM

Regardless of loss of money, people have lost their freedom..

Only the smokers. The non-smokers gain theirs.
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Posted 29 June 2007 - 06:20 PM

I am not talking about the individuals who smoke.. I am talking about the business owners right to decide if she wants smoking in her place..
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#34 omnivorette

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Posted 29 June 2007 - 06:22 PM

The customers pay the owner's bills.
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Posted 29 June 2007 - 06:23 PM

I am against smoking bans.. I see the right for people to have a smoke free environment, I wish people would see other peoples rights to have a smokey environment.. People vote with their pocket books in a free society...


would you apply that same rationale to other laws and regulations that target public health, like food safety? Why do we need to have a law that requires that food be refrigerated to a certain temperature or stored a certain way. If a restaurant didn't follow the rules and made people sick, people would stop going there, no? They would vote with their pocket books in a free society.



If the customer is made aware of their practices before eating, then why not.. If they are upfront and say we are serving you spoiled meat and an adult chooses to eat it.. G-d bless them..
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Posted 29 June 2007 - 06:26 PM

Its like, whats next.. Are they going to come into a restaurant and demand they serve vegetarian options..
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Posted 29 June 2007 - 06:27 PM

I am against smoking bans.. I see the right for people to have a smoke free environment, I wish people would see other peoples rights to have a smokey environment.. People vote with their pocket books in a free society...


would you apply that same rationale to other laws and regulations that target public health, like food safety? Why do we need to have a law that requires that food be refrigerated to a certain temperature or stored a certain way. If a restaurant didn't follow the rules and made people sick, people would stop going there, no? They would vote with their pocket books in a free society.



If the customer is made aware of their practices before eating, then why not.. If they are upfront and say we are serving you spoiled meat and an adult chooses to eat it.. G-d bless them..


what if they weren't upfront about it?

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Posted 29 June 2007 - 06:29 PM

Its like, whats next.. Are they going to come into a restaurant and demand they serve vegetarian options..


that slippery slope of "whats next" drops off in the opposite direction as well . . .

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Posted 29 June 2007 - 06:32 PM

Not really a good comparison.. People choose to go to a bar or restaurant.. You dont need to go to a bar.. So if you like smoking, you go to a smoking bar, if you dont like smoking, you should go to a bar that doesnt allow smoking..

I would sooner ban smoking walking down the street then ban it in a business where people make the decision of going to..

Is there also a "right not to bathe?" Are you OK with someone ripe and funky sitting on the bar stool next to you? What about 5 or 6 people in the bar who haven't showered in the last 2 weeks? I don't think there's a constitutionally protected "right to stink."

People made all kinds of dire predictions about what was going to happen when the smoking ban was enacted. They haven't happened. Bars and restaurants continued to prosper and the smokers got some fresh air while they smoked their cigarettes. The rest of us got to enjoy our meals without the smell of tobacco blended into the mix and when we go to bars our clothes don't have to be sent to the laundry the next day.
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Posted 29 June 2007 - 06:36 PM

Of course a person who smells should be able to get kicked out of a bar.. And they bartender should be able to say go home and take a shower you smelly bastard..
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#41 omnivorette

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Posted 29 June 2007 - 06:46 PM

People who smoke stink too.
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Posted 29 June 2007 - 06:48 PM

Isnt there some restaurant in Arizona a member here was talking about, that doesnt allow its customers to wear perfume..
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Posted 29 June 2007 - 06:50 PM

every time i think of posting in this thread i remember that daniel has an easygoing attitude to traffic signals and driving with a license.

london, anyone?

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#44 Lex

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Posted 29 June 2007 - 06:51 PM

Of course a person who smells should be able to get kicked out of a bar.. And they bartender should be able to say go home and take a shower you smelly bastard..

Now we're getting somewhere.

Like I said above, it's really a quality of life issue. As a society long ago we agreed that it wasn't acceptable for someone to inflict their bad odors on the rest of us. Recently society expanded that definition of bad odor to include smoke.

I've got no idea whether 2nd hand smoke presents a health hazard and I really don't care. I don't want it around because it smells bad.
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#45 omnivorette

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Posted 29 June 2007 - 06:52 PM

And it makes me cough and makes my eyes tear.
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