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#31 Sneakeater

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Posted 30 May 2008 - 04:18 PM

QUOTE(Nathan @ May 30 2008, 04:17 PM) View Post
but civilians care where a restaurant is. especially if they're traveling there.


I can't emphasize my agreement with this enough.
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#32 Wilfrid1

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Posted 30 May 2008 - 04:19 PM

I can think of plenty of civilians who would be much happier on the UES than in the WV, but I do understand that we must read "civilians" in Nathan's* post as being limited to civilians of a certain age and class and certain specific tastes. What I like to call a "sub-grouplet". tongue.gif

Making that adjustment, of course, he's right.

*Actually, it's unfair to confine that to Nathan. Sneak is making his own assumptions too.
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Posted 30 May 2008 - 04:20 PM

QUOTE(Wilfrid @ May 30 2008, 12:16 PM) View Post
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Maybe I'm going to get into trouble for this, but I believe there's a Manhattanite provincialism at play in discussions like these. It's ludicrous. I've noted on another food board that in the 80s, my downtown artist friends used to call going above 14th Street as "going upstate," and they avoided it like the plague. Anyone with a metro card and a modicum of curiosity can go anywhere in this town.

But what's the point?


It can be enjoyable?

I mean, you can stay home and cook. I would get very antsy if I never ventured out of my immediate neighborhood, even though we now have enough good restaurants not to.

You eat out far more than I do so I imagine you get tired of neighbourhood places quicker than I do. But, as I've already said, I'd rather stay home than take a cab to another unremarkable restaurant.
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Posted 30 May 2008 - 04:21 PM

It's also about what to do after dinner. There's a certain vibe that's lacking in MH that you'd always find in the EV or WV.

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Posted 30 May 2008 - 04:22 PM

The thing is -- and this is something I've disagreed with Nathan about when he said it in the past, but mostly as a matter of emphasis, not basic substance -- actually sitting in a restaurant eating is only part of your experience of an evening. There's also getting to the restaurant, leaving the restaurant, making taking a post-prandial stroll. Location matters enormously for all those things.

(Of course, there can also be the "slumming" effect. Allen & Delancey is exciting precisely because it's in such an unprepossessing location. But that's because it's "empty", not because it's full of the "wrong" people. And it's remote enough to have some cachet [but also, paradoxically, near enough to a "cool" neighborhood to also get cachet from that -- it's one thing to be on the frontier of the LES, and another to be on the frontier of Murray Hill].)
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#36 Wilfrid1

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Posted 30 May 2008 - 04:22 PM

I think one point on which Nathan and I agreed some time ago, is that the East Village itself bears an ever closer resemblance to Murray Hill. Especially on weekends.
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Posted 30 May 2008 - 04:22 PM

There are places in the WV where I like to go. But it can be very,very tough to get a taxi there Thursday,Friday,Saturday nights. And I'm going to tarnish my foodie cred by saying I sometimes take that into consideration. If it's nice out I don't mind walking---I used to regularly walk home from Soho to the EV late at night--but if it's not it can be a drag.

I find myself traveling to dine much more often now that I live in Chelsea, where there is nowhere near as much to choose from as in the EV.
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Posted 30 May 2008 - 04:24 PM

QUOTE(Wilfrid @ May 30 2008, 04:19 PM) View Post
I can think of plenty of civilians who would be much happier on the UES than in the WV, but I do understand that we must read "civilians" in Nathan's* post as being limited to civilians of a certain age and class and certain specific tastes. What I like to call a "sub-grouplet". tongue.gif

Making that adjustment, of course, he's right.

*Actually, it's unfair to confine that to Nathan. Sneak is making his own assumptions too.


But that's my point. Each grouplet will have different preferences. I'm not saying that any one preference is right. I AM saying that a restaurant has to match its location with its grouplet. And also, in general, that location matters in general -- although the specifics vary grouplet to grouplet.
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Posted 30 May 2008 - 04:24 PM

If you phrase the question in a rather different way, I think you get a different answer.

Suppose there are identical copies of Sheridan Square*, say, in every neighbourhood and you could teleport to any of them instantly. Which would you choose? I'd end up in the Village, E. Village and Soho frequently and the UES never.

*The restaurant.
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Posted 30 May 2008 - 04:24 PM

QUOTE(g.johnson @ May 30 2008, 12:13 PM) View Post
QUOTE(H. du Bois @ May 30 2008, 12:08 PM) View Post
Maybe I'm going to get into trouble for this, but I believe there's a Manhattanite provincialism at play in discussions like these. It's ludicrous. I've noted on another food board that in the 80s, my downtown artist friends used to call going above 14th Street as "going upstate," and they avoided it like the plague. Anyone with a metro card and a modicum of curiosity can go anywhere in this town.

But what's the point? Doesn't every neighbourhood (except Murray Hill?) have enough ok restaurants to keep people happy?

The point is that I don't think there's any reason to be avoidant of certain neighborhoods beyond being an old (or young) stick-in-the-mud. I was perfectly happy to give Murray Hill a shot. I'd probably give Bar Milano another shot if it weren't so loud.



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Posted 30 May 2008 - 04:25 PM

One of the real treats on (holiday) Monday was going in a cab from the Village to Benoit in 5 mins flat. Really makes the, "oh, shit, we've to go to mid-town" easier to take.
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Posted 30 May 2008 - 04:25 PM

QUOTE(TaliesinNYC @ May 30 2008, 04:21 PM) View Post
It's also about what to do after dinner. There's a certain vibe that's lacking in MH that you'd always find in the EV or WV.


Funny. We said nearly the same thing in our two posts in a row.
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Posted 30 May 2008 - 04:25 PM

QUOTE(Sneakeater @ May 30 2008, 12:22 PM) View Post
The thing is -- and this is something I've disagreed with Nathan about when he said it in the past, but mostly as a matter of emphasis, not basic substance -- actually sitting in a restaurant eating is only part of your experience of an evening. There's also getting to the restaurant, leaving the restaurant, making taking a post-prandial stroll. Location matters enormously for all those things.

But they don't, in normal circumstances, determine whether I'd go to a restaurant or not. I have very little interest in strolling around the UWS, and there's a scarcity of good bars for pre- and post-dinner drinks too, but it wouldn't stop me eating at a good restaurant there. Much the same true of most of the UES.
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Posted 30 May 2008 - 04:26 PM

QUOTE(Wilfrid @ May 30 2008, 12:19 PM) View Post
I can think of plenty of civilians who would be much happier on the UES than in the WV, but I do understand that we must read "civilians" in Nathan's* post as being limited to civilians of a certain age and class and certain specific tastes. What I like to call a "sub-grouplet". tongue.gif

Making that adjustment, of course, he's right.

*Actually, it's unfair to confine that to Nathan. Sneak is making his own assumptions too.


how many of them don't already live on the UES or in Murray Hill?

there really aren't a lot of downtowners traveling uptown or to Murray Hill for dinner or going out (and when we do we call it "slumming")
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Posted 30 May 2008 - 04:26 PM

QUOTE(g.johnson @ May 30 2008, 12:24 PM) View Post
If you phrase the question in a rather different way, I think you get a different answer.

Suppose there are identical copies of Sheridan Square*, say, in every neighbourhood and you could teleport to any of them instantly. Which would you choose? I'd end up in the Village, E. Village and Soho frequently and the UES never.

*The restaurant.

That is indeed a quite different question.

My question is, given that restaurant A is more to your liking than restaurant B, would you really choose the latter because you prefer the neighborhood? (Travel being equal.)

Re bold: because you don't leave near the UES.
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