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#16 Sneakeater

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Posted 11 March 2009 - 05:54 PM

If they were, they were some exquisite corpses.
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Posted 11 March 2009 - 06:05 PM

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Posted 20 May 2009 - 01:57 AM

Did anyone foresee three Bruni stars in Minetta Tavern's fate?
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Posted 20 May 2009 - 02:59 AM

QUOTE(ulterior epicure @ May 19 2009, 09:57 PM) View Post
Did anyone foresee three Bruni stars in Minetta Tavern's fate?

I am more stunned than I have been about any Bruni rating. Only 6.8% of Eater's 497 voters predicted this outcome.
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Posted 20 May 2009 - 03:01 AM

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QUOTE(ulterior epicure @ May 19 2009, 09:57 PM) View Post
Did anyone foresee three Bruni stars in Minetta Tavern's fate?

I am more stunned than I have been about any Bruni rating. Only 6.8% of Eater's 497 voters predicted this outcome.

Wait. Are you stunned because you've been, and you don't agree with Bruni's assessment? Or, are you stunned because Eater's voting public couldn't predict Bruni's rating?
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Posted 20 May 2009 - 03:13 AM

Holy fucking shit.

Look, I've eaten there and liked it.

That's a three-star restaurant like my kitchen is a three-star restaurant.
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Posted 20 May 2009 - 03:16 AM

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Holy fucking shit.

Look, I've eaten there and liked it.

That's a three-star restaurant like my kitchen is a three-star restaurant.

Yeah, I'm not a New Yorker, and I've never eaten at Minetta Tavern. But I was sorta kinda surprised.
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Posted 20 May 2009 - 11:42 AM

granted it has been 10 years since I've been there, but this surprises the hell out of me.

edit: ok, nevermind, I didn't realize it had undergone a Keith McNally makeover.

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Posted 20 May 2009 - 12:18 PM

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Did anyone foresee three Bruni stars in Minetta Tavern's fate?

I am more stunned than I have been about any Bruni rating. Only 6.8% of Eater's 497 voters predicted this outcome.

Wait. Are you stunned because you've been, and you don't agree with Bruni's assessment? Or, are you stunned because Eater's voting public couldn't predict Bruni's rating?

Sorry for the ambiguity.

I have indeed been to Minetta Tavern, but it was only for a burger at the bar. On the basis of that burger, excellent though it was, I couldn't guess what the rest of the food would be like. But the menu didn't strike me as a "three-star menu," if you know what I mean. They serve a lot of bistro standards, and even if they were perfectly executed (which apparently Bruni thinks they are), I can't think of a modern precedent for awarding three stars to that type of place. Also, it seems to be a slimmed down version of the Balthazar menu, and no one has ever suggested that Balthazar was unfairly rated at two stars.

I cited the Eater poll merely to emphasize that practically no one saw three stars coming. I suppose that's the other reason why I'm stunned. All of Bruni's other three-star restaurants were, in a sense, predictable. That doesn't mean we agreed in every case, but they were types of restaurants where you knew this outcome was possible. This is the first one I can think of that just came out of nowhere.
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Posted 20 May 2009 - 01:19 PM

As far as I'm concerned, the main theme of the review - that Minetta Tavern is one of the city's top steakhouses - came out of nowhere.
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Posted 20 May 2009 - 02:10 PM

Right. Although not having had the steak, I feel like I almost can't contest it. I've read other people -- it must have included Ozersky -- say that their steak is about the best in the City. But I just counted it as hype.

(Unlike like comments you might read about Ssam Bar.)
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Posted 20 May 2009 - 09:35 PM

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Did anyone foresee three Bruni stars in Minetta Tavern's fate?

I am more stunned than I have been about any Bruni rating. Only 6.8% of Eater's 497 voters predicted this outcome.

Wait. Are you stunned because you've been, and you don't agree with Bruni's assessment? Or, are you stunned because Eater's voting public couldn't predict Bruni's rating?

Sorry for the ambiguity.

I have indeed been to Minetta Tavern, but it was only for a burger at the bar. On the basis of that burger, excellent though it was, I couldn't guess what the rest of the food would be like. But the menu didn't strike me as a "three-star menu," if you know what I mean. They serve a lot of bistro standards, and even if they were perfectly executed (which apparently Bruni thinks they are), I can't think of a modern precedent for awarding three stars to that type of place. Also, it seems to be a slimmed down version of the Balthazar menu, and no one has ever suggested that Balthazar was unfairly rated at two stars.

I cited the Eater poll merely to emphasize that practically no one saw three stars coming. I suppose that's the other reason why I'm stunned. All of Bruni's other three-star restaurants were, in a sense, predictable. That doesn't mean we agreed in every case, but they were types of restaurants where you knew this outcome was possible. This is the first one I can think of that just came out of nowhere.



Like Sripraphai is two stars predictable.

I mean, it's wonderful Thai food but two stars is a bit of a stretch.

I haven't been to Minetta Tavern yet so I can't really compare notes. However I have been to genuine NYC three-star establishments however so I do know the sort of food that would generally warrant such praise. Some more than once.

I can't imagine bistro food warranting a traditional 3-star rating unless it were some place in Paris transplanted molecule for molecule here.

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Posted 20 May 2009 - 09:38 PM

I'm going next week. I eat steak perhaps once a year. Guess it's time for another one.
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Posted 20 May 2009 - 09:43 PM

Sripraphai's two stars were predictable in light of the Times tradition stretching back at least as far as Ruth Reichl to award two stars to the unprepossessing Asian restaurants serving the very best food of their type at the time. Among the recipients of these two-star awards have been New York Noodletown, Ping's Seafood, Oriental Garden, and Spicy and Tasty. In light of those awards, the two stars for Sripraphai were predictable. (Of course, many and perhaps most board posters -- although not me -- think this particular tradition is invalid.)

It's interesting that to support an award of three stars to Minetta Tavern, Bruni went out of his way to characterize it as a steakhouse, not a bistro. I think he agrees that bistros don't get three stars. But steakhouses have.

I think the shock that many of us who've been there had at the review is that it hadn't occurred to us that Minetta Tavern was a steakhouse and not a bistro.
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Posted 20 May 2009 - 09:58 PM

QUOTE(Sneakeater @ May 20 2009, 05:43 PM) View Post
I think the shock that many of us who've been there had at the review is that it hadn't occurred to us that Minetta Tavern was a steakhouse and not a bistro.

Another Bruni blunder?
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