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#16 hollywood

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Posted 03 December 2004 - 08:13 PM

It's also increasingly apparent that every professional cyclist from Armstrong down uses dope.

Are you sure about Armstrong? Do you think he gets a free pass because of the cancer?

One of his advisors is Michele Ferrari who is currently on trial for supplying drugs to other cyclists. He has also tested positive for steroids though he claimed it was due to the use of a legal skin cream, an excuse that the relevant bodies accepted.

Wow! Do you think Sheryl Crow is using as well?

Then that happened.

 

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Posted 03 December 2004 - 08:15 PM

That might explain her arms.
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#18 mitchells

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Posted 03 December 2004 - 08:22 PM

But I don't think jaywalking is a competitive sport.

What about a guy like Bonds breaking previous records. Should Bonds home run record count?

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#19 mitchells

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Posted 03 December 2004 - 08:24 PM

Sure, but should it be? If everyone is doing it, what difference does it make?

But what about players that choose not to do it? Aren't they at a disadvantage?

Yes, but that's their choice.

So players that choose not to cheat and poison their bodies are disadvantaged? :D

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Posted 03 December 2004 - 08:34 PM

But I don't think jaywalking is a competitive sport.

What about a guy like Bonds breaking previous records. Should Bonds home run record count?


No.

Ditto for McGwire, Sosa, Giambi, etc. Guys like Babe Ruth won their medals the old fashioned way, with plenty of scotch and lots of women. Guys like Henry Aaron and Willie Mays did it on personal skill
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Posted 03 December 2004 - 08:37 PM

to let you all know...I am not using steroids. well maybe a lttle topical stuff for ezcema :D

#22 g.johnson

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Posted 03 December 2004 - 08:43 PM

Sure, but should it be? If everyone is doing it, what difference does it make?

But what about players that choose not to do it? Aren't they at a disadvantage?

Yes, but that's their choice.

So players that choose not to cheat and poison their bodies are disadvantaged? :D

How is it any different from offensive linemen overeating to be more effective blockers?
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#23 Wilfrid1

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Posted 03 December 2004 - 08:47 PM

But I don't think jaywalking is a competitive sport.

You should have walked through midtown at lunchtime today. :D
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#24 Wilfrid1

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Posted 03 December 2004 - 08:48 PM

But I don't think jaywalking is a competitive sport.

What about a guy like Bonds breaking previous records. Should Bonds home run record count?


No.

Ditto for McGwire, Sosa, Giambi, etc. Guys like Babe Ruth won their medals the old fashioned way, with plenty of scotch and lots of women. Guys like Henry Aaron and Willie Mays did it on personal skill

Should the results of the games in which they played stand?

I don't see how history can be rewritten. Of no home run by Giambi can you say, he would not have hit it had he not been on steroids. Ty Cobb, I understand, used all kinds of underhand and violent tactics on the field. What are you going to do about his stats?
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Posted 03 December 2004 - 08:50 PM

Sure, but should it be? If everyone is doing it, what difference does it make?

But what about players that choose not to do it? Aren't they at a disadvantage?

Yes, but that's their choice.

So players that choose not to cheat and poison their bodies are disadvantaged? :D

How is it any different from offensive linemen overeating to be more effective blockers?

The last I heard, food was legal and the substances supposedly used by Giambi and Bonds were distributed illegally.

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#26 mitchells

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Posted 03 December 2004 - 08:51 PM

Ty Cobb, I understand, used all kinds of underhand and violent tactics on the field. What are you going to do about his stats?


Examples please.

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#27 g.johnson

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Posted 03 December 2004 - 08:53 PM

Sure, but should it be? If everyone is doing it, what difference does it make?

But what about players that choose not to do it? Aren't they at a disadvantage?

Yes, but that's their choice.

So players that choose not to cheat and poison their bodies are disadvantaged? :D

How is it any different from offensive linemen overeating to be more effective blockers?

The last I heard, food was legal and the substances supposedly used by Giambi and Bonds were distributed illegally.

So you would approve of the use of steroids if they were prescribed?
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#28 Wilfrid1

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Posted 03 December 2004 - 08:54 PM

Ty Cobb, I understand, used all kinds of underhand and violent tactics on the field. What are you going to do about his stats?


Examples please.

Pure hearsay. Didn't he used to sharpen his studs to deter attempts to tag him when sliding? Maybe that's legal.
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#29 mitchells

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Posted 03 December 2004 - 08:59 PM

So you would approve of the use of steroids if they were prescribed?


Irrelevant. If what the players are accused of is true, and Giambi admitted it, the players participated in an illegal activity to improve their performance. I think just about anyone would agree that would be cheating, regardless of how many other players may have also done the same thing.

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#30 g.johnson

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Posted 03 December 2004 - 09:02 PM

Yes, but my point is that I'm not convinced that doping should be against the rules. It's clearly impossible to enforce, so let them take steroids under medical supervision if that's what they want to do.
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