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#571 Rich

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Posted 17 January 2019 - 03:27 PM

Whale I had in Iceland was dark red and tasted similar to filet mignon with a lot more depth of flavor.



#572 Orik

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Posted 17 January 2019 - 07:01 PM

Many cuts with very different texture and flavor. 

 

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#573 Wilfrid

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Posted 23 January 2019 - 06:41 PM

Steve Cuozzo joins the debate, claiming that "fine-dining restaurants are thriving and multiplying at a furious pace."  But his evidence is a bit thin.  Here are the places he mentions, but with my annotations:
 
 
Established 30-plus to 20-plus years ago:
 
Le Bernardin
Jean-Georges
Restaurant Daniel
Cafe Boulud 
Eleven Madison Park
 
Not that old, but not new either:
 
The Modern
Del Posto
 
Not fine dining (no, they're not):
 
Il Gattopardo
Tamarind
Dawat 
Union Square Cafe
Avra Madison
Temple Court
Flora Bar
 
Still there and ancient but we lost all its peers:
 
La Grenouille
(You can hardly point to La Grenouille as evidence that the category is multiplying when La Caravelle, Le Cote Basque, Le Perigord, Le Cirque, etc, have departed.)
 
There and new but we lost all its peers:
 
Majorelle
(I just don't have time to list all the high end French restaurants which used to be in New York Hotels. A lot.)
 
Directly replaced existing fine dining spots:
 
The Grill 
The Pool
(These cannot be cited to show that the space is thriving. They are direct replacements for The Four Seasons.)
 
I'll give you these from the last 10 years:

Marea
The NoMad
Gabriel Kreuther
Le Coucou
Benno
Leonti (probably)
(But then you'd have to balance them against the places which have closed in the last 10 years.)

Note:  I am restricting myself to the places mentioned by Cuozzo.  There are other, better examples, to replace some of his bad ones.



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Posted 23 January 2019 - 06:50 PM

It is interesting that he does not include counter places, high end sushi or kaiseki or non-French fine dining like Aska or Jung Sik. 


I think you need to interpret what I'm saying in a reasonable way.


#575 Orik

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Posted 23 January 2019 - 07:03 PM

I don't know if he's ever been to one of those. 


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#576 Wilfrid

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Posted 23 January 2019 - 11:52 PM

Yeah, it’s a weird selection. The medium-level Indian places rather than a Jung Sik? Just struck me that within the four corners of the article he didn’t support his thesis.

#577 Wilfrid

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Posted 23 January 2019 - 11:56 PM

You lose Juni, you get Benno. You lose Chevalier, you get Le Coucou.

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Posted 23 January 2019 - 11:58 PM

Because of course he doesn’t care about telling the truth. He cares about being a reactionary and riling up his base.
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#579 The Flon

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Posted 24 January 2019 - 11:06 AM

I'd move EMP to where The Modern and Del Posto are for accuracy. While it's been open for longer, the real fine dining it's known for today started when Heffernan left and Humm started. That was around 2004-2005?

#580 Wilfrid

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Posted 24 January 2019 - 06:16 PM

That's fair.



#581 GerryOlds

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Posted 25 January 2019 - 10:02 PM

Steve Cuozzo has a base?



#582 Sneakeater

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Posted 25 January 2019 - 10:27 PM

Yeah, and it's a big one:  Cranky Old People.


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#583 Wilfrid

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Posted 26 January 2019 - 12:54 AM

I’m cranky, old, and people, but I don’t know if I’m Cranky Old People.

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Posted 26 January 2019 - 02:15 AM

No caps for you.
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Posted 26 January 2019 - 12:08 PM

I'd move EMP to where The Modern and Del Posto are for accuracy. While it's been open for longer, the real fine dining it's known for today started when Heffernan left and Humm started. That was around 2004-2005?


Actually, 2006.