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#31 voyager

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Posted 11 May 2016 - 01:50 PM

American culture too based in puritanism.

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#32 Anthony Bonner

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Posted 11 May 2016 - 02:02 PM

What was the reason that we can't have nice things in New York again?

Commercial rents are double Paris? 


Why not mayo?

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Posted 11 May 2016 - 02:21 PM

Less expensive access to good stuff?



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Posted 11 May 2016 - 02:32 PM

Cheaper startup costs?     Rent a dump, slap on some paint, install a basic kitchen and restroom, bring in mismatched tables and chairs, hire enthusiastic young waitstaff excited to be part of a new venture.    Be willing to work 20 hours a day, shop for your own product at markets and contacts on your Vespa.    Bet the ranch on your passion and creativity.  


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#35 voyager

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Posted 11 May 2016 - 02:48 PM

Virtus (http://virtus-paris.com/)


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#36 Adrian

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Posted 11 May 2016 - 02:49 PM

Why does Franny's (and Robertas) serve pizza and not just a menu of entirely high quality new American dishes? Why must every new restaurant serve pasta?

I think you need to interpret what I'm saying in a reasonable way.


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Posted 11 May 2016 - 02:51 PM

Montreal being the fun counter example - high level of culinary knowledge in the population (see the McMillan qoute in the new richman article calling it the best food city in America about 17 year old girls ordering rare liver), great tradition to build on, dirt cheap rent.

I think you need to interpret what I'm saying in a reasonable way.


#38 Adrian

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Posted 11 May 2016 - 02:52 PM

Montreal being the fun counter example - high level of culinary knowledge in the population (see the McMillan qoute in the new richman article calling it the best food city in America about 17 year old girls ordering rare liver), great tradition to build on, dirt cheap rent.

I think you need to interpret what I'm saying in a reasonable way.


#39 mitchells

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Posted 11 May 2016 - 03:00 PM

Why does Franny's (and Robertas) serve pizza and not just a menu of entirely high quality new American dishes? Why must every new restaurant serve pasta?

Because that is what the masses want. And they come with great profit margins.



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Posted 11 May 2016 - 03:25 PM

17 year old girls ordering rare liver

 

Bingo.  


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#41 taion

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Posted 11 May 2016 - 05:16 PM

American culture too based in puritanism.

 

Albion's Seed argues that Puritanism is only one of the four major contributors to modern American culture, and that at least two of the other three are more positive on the whole indulgence thing.


I didn't tip at Per Se either.

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Posted 11 May 2016 - 05:17 PM

Cheaper startup costs?     Rent a dump, slap on some paint, install a basic kitchen and restroom, bring in mismatched tables and chairs, hire enthusiastic young waitstaff excited to be part of a new venture.    Be willing to work 20 hours a day, shop for your own product at markets and contacts on your Vespa.    Bet the ranch on your passion and creativity.  

 

That is the Brooklyn story, no?

 

I remember quite a while ago hanging out briefly with Nico from Holybelly, and he was talking about how difficult it was to get something set up – and that's... presumably simpler than some of these places.


I didn't tip at Per Se either.

#43 Adrian

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Posted 11 May 2016 - 05:22 PM

Yeah. The Brooklyn story now is that spiraling rents mean that the kitchen must produce higher margin dishes (economics) which is fine because there's a big demand for pasta and pizza anyway (culture).

Look, you guys overstate the case - nyc is at worst an elite global culinary city and number three in North America (probably still number one) - but there is a case.

Also, once you leave the high end, no one can cook fish in North America.

I think you need to interpret what I'm saying in a reasonable way.


#44 mitchells

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Posted 11 May 2016 - 05:27 PM

It may be anecdotal but it is all about culture. When driving in France a few weeks ago, we stopped in a highway rest stop no more than 30 miles from the Spanish border. I walked in the shop to get some coffee and right at that moment a tray of croissants comes out of the oven. And they were delicious as was the coffee. Can you imagine that ever taking place at the Vince Lombardi rest stop on the NJ Turnpike?



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#45 taion

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Posted 11 May 2016 - 05:31 PM

What do you suppose the rent was at Roberta's when it first opened?


I didn't tip at Per Se either.