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#16 StephanieL

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Posted 22 March 2019 - 06:24 PM

The miscegenation of terms used for these disparate wines has been a substantial hindrance to coherent discussion of them.    Organic and biodynamic refer to the growing of grapes.   Natural refers to wine making.    So organic and bio wines may or may not be natural; natural wines need not be made from organic or bio grapes.

 

As I understand it, a bio wine can be manipulated many ways during the winemaking process, and a natural wine can be made from grapes that were subjected to many kinds of chemicals in the vineyard.    

 

Add the fast and loose prose of winemakers, sellers and soms and the current towel of babel comes as no surprise.

 

And that's why I'll pretty much be sticking with beer and spirits.


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Posted 22 March 2019 - 06:25 PM

I thought figuring out riesling was hard (it is)...and I had a bit of a hangover when I woke up at 3 AM this morning, after drinking maybe one too many glasses of a natural Italian white last night. A big glass of water and 2 ibuprofen, along with a cat petting session, helped.



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Posted 22 March 2019 - 07:46 PM

 

The miscegenation of terms used for these disparate wines has been a substantial hindrance to coherent discussion of them.    Organic and biodynamic refer to the growing of grapes.   Natural refers to wine making.    So organic and bio wines may or may not be natural; natural wines need not be made from organic or bio grapes.

 

As I understand it, a bio wine can be manipulated many ways during the winemaking process, and a natural wine can be made from grapes that were subjected to many kinds of chemicals in the vineyard.    

 

Add the fast and loose prose of winemakers, sellers and soms and the current towel of babel comes as no surprise.

miscegenation?

 

Amalgamation might be more apt.   Or popular interchangeability.


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Posted 22 March 2019 - 07:54 PM

 

 

The miscegenation of terms used for these disparate wines has been a substantial hindrance to coherent discussion of them.    Organic and biodynamic refer to the growing of grapes.   Natural refers to wine making.    So organic and bio wines may or may not be natural; natural wines need not be made from organic or bio grapes.

 

As I understand it, a bio wine can be manipulated many ways during the winemaking process, and a natural wine can be made from grapes that were subjected to many kinds of chemicals in the vineyard.    

 

Add the fast and loose prose of winemakers, sellers and soms and the current towel of babel comes as no surprise.

miscegenation?

 

Amalgamation might be more apt.   Or popular interchangeability.

 

perhaps conflation. miscegenation means race mixing and seems to have no relation to the above discussion


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Posted 22 March 2019 - 07:56 PM

When Jorge is pouring and pouring (all the while telling you that natural wine gives you less of a hangover), the levels even out.

 

True. I remain thankful and not thankful at all to not having hangovers. 


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Posted 10 April 2019 - 01:52 PM

Interesting app that the somm at BRAT in London turned me on to...

 

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