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#16 Guest_Suzanne F_*

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Posted 23 June 2005 - 06:59 PM

There's a whole book of that stuff by college :D students. And indeed, should one laugh or cry? :)

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Posted 23 June 2005 - 07:00 PM

Four different answers from four different kids. All seniors in high school (at the end of senior year).

These students have taken history as a high school subject. If they were paying attention, and there was a section on WWII and its aftermath, no reason why they shouldn't know about reparations.

I still don't see what point is being made. That there are some high school students who don't pay attention in class (if they even show up)?
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#18 Rail Paul

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Posted 23 June 2005 - 07:00 PM

This was a public high school?

Not in my case, but my friends in public schools had similar requirements if they were in the academic (vs trade) program. I don't recall essay writing as unusual in the late 1960s. It's likely that the time taken to review and grade those papers would be considered excessive for a teacher today

I'll ask the neighbor kids when I walk Simon this afternoon. My guess is they rarely write precis, abstract, essay, or similar forms.

Orik, point well taken. I had the Audi in for service yesterday, and noticed the dealership's basic labor rate is now $105 per hour. So, an auto mechanic or plumber should have a knowledge of basic math, or at least an $8 calculator to figure the bill.

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Posted 23 June 2005 - 07:05 PM

Four different answers from four different kids.  All seniors in high school (at the end of senior year).

These students have taken history as a high school subject.  If they were paying attention, and there was a section on WWII and its aftermath, no reason why they shouldn't know about reparations.

I still don't see what point is being made. That there are some high school students who don't pay attention in class (if they even show up)?

Wilf was surprised that the kid would know about war reparations. I was just pointing out that these are high school kids who have taken history, so if they were paying attention they might very well know about war reparations if there was indeed a section on WWII and Germany in the class.
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Posted 23 June 2005 - 07:14 PM

But the fact that there are some kids who don't pay attention (or maybe are just not too bright) means nothing at all about the state of the system.


Orik, point well taken. I had the Audi in for service yesterday, and noticed the dealership's basic labor rate is now $105 per hour. So, an auto mechanic or plumber should have a knowledge of basic math, or at least an $8 calculator to figure the bill.


They could always outsource billing to India.
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#21 omnivorette

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Posted 23 June 2005 - 07:18 PM

But the fact that there are some kids who don't pay attention (or maybe are just not too bright) means nothing at all about the state of the system.

I know that - that's not the point. I was just telling Wilf that they took history class and that there's no reason for them not to know about reparations, assuming they were paying attention in class and that reparations were covered in the course material.
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Posted 23 June 2005 - 07:24 PM

Did anyone spell "tangential" as "tangenital"?
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Posted 23 June 2005 - 07:31 PM

They could always outsource billing to India.

I cannot stand that. I call to talk about a question about my bill (can be various companies) and the person on the other end obviously can only respond based on a script and is many thousands of miles away. It just makes me go ballistic. I start to shriek "I want to speak to someone who isn't halfway around the world!".

When 411 gives me a machine, I just repeat over and over "I want to speak to a human, I want to speak to a human".

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Posted 23 June 2005 - 07:32 PM

removed redundancy

Edited by mongo_jones, 23 June 2005 - 07:33 PM.

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#25 omnivorette

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Posted 23 June 2005 - 07:33 PM

If you'all think you've seen me lose it, you haven't really.

G-O-D-F-O-R-B-I-D :)
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Posted 23 June 2005 - 07:34 PM

Aren't students getting brighter over time? IQ, SAT etc scores are going up with each generation?

Some university profs argue, when charged with inflating grades, that maybe a little of that is happening, but students are much better than they used to be.
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Posted 23 June 2005 - 07:34 PM


If you'all think you've seen me lose it, you haven't really.

G-O-D-F-O-R-B-I-D :)

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Posted 23 June 2005 - 07:39 PM

Aren't students getting brighter over time? IQ, SAT etc scores are going up with each generation?

The Flynn effect.
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#29 mongo_jones

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Posted 23 June 2005 - 07:39 PM


They could always outsource billing to India.

I cannot stand that. I call to talk about a question about my bill (can be various companies) and the person on the other end obviously can only respond based on a script and is many thousands of miles away. It just makes me go ballistic. I start to shriek "I want to speak to someone who isn't halfway around the world!".

When 411 gives me a machine, I just repeat over and over "I want to speak to a human, I want to speak to a human".

If you'all think you've seen me lose it, you haven't really.

you do realize that distance and location has no bearing on their ability to solve your problems? my worst customer-service experiences have been on the phone with best buy etc. reps located not very far away from me.

re. omni's original post: yes, there are some amusing typos etc. but also what seems to me to be quite clever ways to attempt to fill in gaps in memory. in short, i am agreeing with yvonne, orik and wilf's takes on this. far smarter people than these kids, including some who write for the new york times and mouthfuls, don't have a much better grasp of indian history. how many of you insist on spelling gandhi as ghandi, for example?

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#30 omnivorette

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Posted 23 June 2005 - 07:41 PM

Aren't you the guy who doesn't care about spelling and grammar in your college students' papers?
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