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#331 Orik

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Posted 19 March 2018 - 05:34 PM

The cardoon (often cardoon & borage) dish is the platonic ideal of a winter vegetable dish for me, but maybe it's because the texture and delicate (no) spicing is also very Japanese. I can see how it'd be weird.

 

The risk with getting to know Carmen & Marian @ Verdejo is you suddenly find yourself comped full glasses of the latest offerings from Dos Maderas, which then makes the walk home seem pretty long. 


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#332 Anthony Bonner

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Posted 19 March 2018 - 06:26 PM

It was exactly cardoon and borage.  Loved the taste, the texture was a bit limp for me.

 

I think I would have liked it more in a smaller portion


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Posted 20 March 2018 - 12:19 AM

Throughout Spain, just adding a tiny uptick to the cost of wine retail, rather than multiplying it by three or more, is just such a good thing.

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Posted 21 March 2018 - 01:47 PM

I agree, but I also understand there are other costs involved with serving a Spanish, French, Italian, etc. wine here in NYC.

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Posted 21 March 2018 - 01:58 PM

Isn't that already reflected in the shelf price? 


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Posted 21 March 2018 - 02:31 PM

Don't know; I'm not in the biz.



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Posted 21 March 2018 - 02:54 PM

Well I guess it doesn't matter - wine prices are what they are because of what the revenue per cover needs to be. Even if they marked wine up to 10/bottle over wholesale, that would just mean the food prices would need to go up a bunch.

 

Actually at work one of the guys was just looking at a bunch of the chain restaurants, and it looks like basically all of their profits come from liquor sales, like the basically breakeven on food.


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Posted 21 March 2018 - 03:01 PM

I agree, but I also understand there are other costs involved with serving a Spanish, French, Italian, etc. wine here in NYC.

 

Let me give you concrete numbers:

 

As an individual, you can import up to about 120 bottles / year and pay about $2/bottle in taxes and fees, plus $8/bottle in shipping and handling from Spain. You can go up to 480 bottles but you need to file for a permit in advance and if you do it every year it might be questioned. 

 

So for individuals the cost is $10/bottle.

 

As a small distributor / importer you need to have a license which, for wine imports ends up being just over $1000/year. So assuming you import those same 480 bottles, that's an additional $2. 

 

 

Of course as a large importer you pay a lot less than $8 on s&h and get significant discounts vs retail for most bottles but then you have inventory risk and other operational costs. 


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Posted 21 March 2018 - 03:11 PM

And yes, as AB said, none of this matters as restaurants basically charge what they need to stay in business, which as we see in the current $100 ridiculousness and advice from Pete Wells is getting to that point in the demand curve where consumers start balking. 


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Posted 21 March 2018 - 04:17 PM

And yes, as AB said, none of this matters as restaurants basically charge what they need to stay in business, which as we see in the current $100 ridiculousness and advice from Pete Wells is getting to that point in the demand curve where consumers start balking. 

Well, I think this is the point I was getting at.

 

And let's not even start talking about, say, draft beer at $10 - $12 a glass.



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Posted 21 March 2018 - 04:28 PM

Could be worse.

 

TEL AVIV NOW NINTH MOST EXPENSIVE CITY IN THE WORLD. A bottle of table wine costs on average $28.77 in Tel Aviv, more than any other city in the world. Ten years ago, it cost $16.46.
 
New York is ranked the 13th most expensive city, with Los Angeles as the 14th. Both cities fell in the rankings, partially due to the weakening of the US dollar against other currencies.

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#342 Anthony Bonner

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Posted 21 March 2018 - 05:25 PM

those studies always feel like "most expensive places to live like a global expat."


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#343 Behemoth

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Posted 21 March 2018 - 06:15 PM

Wasn't somewhere in Angola the most expensive expat city for a few years running? 


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Posted 21 March 2018 - 06:32 PM

yes. Luanda. Expensive deepwater offshore port during the oil boom.


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Posted 21 March 2018 - 07:57 PM

yes. Luanda. Expensive deepwater offshore port during the oil boom.

I'm sorry to say I've been there.


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