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[Chambolle]

congratulations, chambolle, you can't read! if you could, you would have seen that i was distinguishing between computers and iphones/ipads/ipods from the beginning.

Yes, I got what you were saying.

The point is that they are all computers.

Their guts will become increasingly similar over time.

They will be differentiated by different radios (Wifi, 3G, LTE ...), different screen sizes, and different input devices. And, of course, great marketing.

[mongo_jones]

a long time ago, chambolle, you probably failed a number of literature classes (or more likely, your instructors, wishing not to suffer your presence again, gave you barely-passing grades). your instructors in those classes (these were the people near the front of the classrooms with the long-suffering look on their faces, which deepened on the rare occasions you raised your hand in anything other than response to some base physical stimulus) tried to impress upon you (they failed, alas) the importance of reading in context. had you (miraculously) imbibed even some small portion of this you might have realized while reading the other thread, from which (for some reason i would rather not understand) you abstracted into this one my comment about apple, their computers, and their other devices, that i was responding in the context of a specific discussion; and that in this discussion computers were implicitly being defined by the people i was responding to as desktop or laptop computers (which, by the way, is how the world at large understands the term "computer"). it is for this reason that i reminded people that (this subset of) computers are now a relatively small part of the apple story vis a vis iphones, ipods and ipads, and that therefore the contemporary mythos of apple and steve jobs cannot be understood merely by debating the merits of the gui of apple's desktops and laptops vis a vis windows machines.

but again, this is a more generous reading than is necessary. you probably did think that desktop and laptop macs contribute 80% of apple's revenue, and are now back-pedaling frantically. go with your (lesser) god, chambolle. i must now get into my subaru forester computer and go to work.

[Chambolle]

You got some nice embedded parentheses going on there, Mongo. Is Nathan your new literary hero ?

The chances of Chambo not knowing the desktop + laptop contribution to Apple's total revenue are approximately 0.00%.

Since you asked nicely, I'll explain. I abstracted your comment because I wasn't going to further pollute a thread dedicated to the passing of Steve Jobs with additional childish Mac-PC flame war garbage. Any objective tech industry person with half a brain knows that these two platforms are functionally identical today. Each has its pros and cons. One platform is definitely cooler than the other, though.

And thanks for clearing up our confusion that "the contemporary mythos of apple and steve jobs cannot be understood merely by debating the merits of the gui of apple's desktops and laptops vis a vis windows machines".

As if any of that in-the-weeds crap is even remotely related to why Steve Jobs was the iconic figure that he was. Or why Apple is what it is.

[LML]

The chances of Chambo not knowing the desktop + laptop contribution to Apple's total revenue are approximately 0.00%.

Out of curiosity, why the habitual illeism?

[balex]

congratulations, chambolle, you can't read! if you could, you would have seen that i was distinguishing between computers and iphones/ipads/ipods from the beginning. oh wait, maybe you did see that, but you were completely wrong, and now you're clutching at straws. dude, stick to writing very long posts; that way i won't be tempted to read them.

balex: multiply 3.5 by the median cost of macs, and now multiply 32 by the median cost of ipads/iphones/ipods. unless you think the median cost of macs approaches 10x the others (it doesn't come close) it doesn't add up.

Yes, you're right.

(Paying attention everyone? This is what you do when you find out you are wrong... )

[OTB]

I'm so glad I decided not to waste my time with this discussion when I could be actually making money blogging about it

[Sneakeater]

You make money blogging?

[OTB]

You make money blogging?

Yeah, but not about food.

[Sneakeater]

I know. That was another KIDDING.

(Even I read your tech blog [sometimes]. And believe me, I couldn't begin to give a hint of a shit about that stuff.)

[OTB]

I know. That was another KIDDING.

(Even I read your tech blog [sometimes]. And believe me, I couldn't begin to give a hint of a shit about that stuff.)

You can join my wife in that regard. She doesn't read any of my tech stuff at all. She thinks it sounds like Charlie Brown's teacher talking.

[Sneakeater]

Jason, may God strike me down for saying this to you, but somehow your stuff is INTERESTING. Don't ask me why.

[OTB]

Jason, may God strike me down for saying this to you, but somehow your stuff is INTERESTING. Don't ask me why.

I try to be part technology reporter, part opinion columnist/analyst and part circus monkey. I'm usually pretty heavy on the circus monkey, because god knows the subject matter is as boring as shit.

[Chambolle]

Out of curiosity, why the habitual illeism?

Hi there! I'm Chambo. Could you help me out because Chambo doesn't really know what this illeism word is all about. Do you happen to have a handy translation at the ready for me? Let me guess - it has to do with the fact that Chambo is ill? Ill-informed. Ill-mannered. Illinois-ing. I give up. Tell Chambo.

Wait a minute. Forget that request. I have a different question for ya. What planet are you from such that one week of your time is over 5 years of our time?

Don't you have some work to do? Chambo is like Dumbo. He never forgets.

I'm so glad I decided not to waste my time with this discussion when I could be actually making money blogging about it

And why would someone who kisses the ground that Richard Stallman walks on want to participate in such a discussion anyway?

Nor would Stallman be impressed by your financial focus either.

And his comments re Jobs's death are despicable.

(Yes I know Stallman. I have known him for ages. And yes I knew Jobs. From way back when.)

[OTB]

I'm so glad I decided not to waste my time with this discussion when I could be actually making money blogging about it

And why would someone who kisses the ground that Richard Stallman walks on want to participate in such a discussion anyway?

Nor would Stallman be impressed by your financial focus either.

And his comments re Jobs's death are despicable.

(Yes I know Stallman. I have known him for ages. And yes I knew Jobs. From way back when.)

I knew both. Jobs, in an earlier lifetime when I almost dropped out of school to go work at NeXT, and then later when I dealt with him at Canon. Stallman in the current decade. But you haven't done your research if you feel I worship the ground that Stallman walks on.

If I detested anyone more than Jobs, it is Stallman. And while I respect ESR's work and have corresponded with him on occasion, I don't agree with all of his ideology either.

Please do not put words in my mouth.

http://www.zdnet.com...-stallman/11167

http://www.zdnet.com...eadership/11266

Dammit I knew I should have just read the damn thread and bit my tongue.

[Chambolle]

Yep. You should have bit your tongue. And that's a lot of hate, man, a lot of hate.