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#1 Rail Paul

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 04:00 PM

Sara Moulton has an interesting and challenging interview in the current Eater. Although she has a thousand cookbooks, and treasures them, she fears that cookbooks are obsolete for most cooks. Apps and the internet are replacing them in the daily life of many cooks.

Her experience has given her a wealth of insights about cook books. She receives boxes of them for her reviewing work on Good Morning America, and for other commenting. And, she buys new cook books. She also throws them out or donates them to the NYU Fales Collection.

It's an enjoyable read, here's a slice.

You mentioned you have an intense organizational system?
They're very organized. I have them via country. I have them via category, so usually it's by ingredient or technique. So I have a whole bunch of grilling books, I have a whole bunch of meat books, I have a couple chicken books, so I have them like that. And then I have sort of random single subject, you know, like prunes. Actually I don't have a book about prunes and they're called dried plums now anyway. But I have a whole section where it's just one topic. And then I have a whole Americana section which is community cookbooks. That breaks my rule too because those all have a hundred recipes, but they're charming little regional cookbooks and I find those fascinating. And then I have big technique tomes, and then I have books that are written by chefs, and then I have a whole baking section. I have a how-to section and a writing with recipes section, the Calvin Trillin kind of thing.

I don't have them indexed but I know where they are by section. They're in different rooms, they're not all in the same place. I don't just have one room big enough. So they're in the living room, they're in my bedroom, I'm sitting in my son's room which I've been trying to take over as an office and I've got a ton of new ones in here, and also Gourmet going back to 1970. All the way to the day it tanked. So I know that in here, I have all the baking books, and I have the Latin books. I have all the books that I'm in, which is an odd category? [laughs] Sometimes you get into compendiums where they ask a whole bunch of chefs to come up with recipes. I have some of my larger chef books in here, like I have Thomas Keller's books. Then I have my French, my Italian, most of the countries with the exception of Latin books are in my living room. The single subject books are around the corner heading toward the bedroom. And then I have another section in the kitchen which are either books I always want to have handy or they're newer and I want to play with them. Right now I'm on a making bread kick, so I've got like six of those artisanal bread books.

What are the books in your kitchen that you always want on hand?
Jean Anderson's Doubleday Cookbook. That's one that's just a really good reference book. So say, I don't cook a standing rib roast very often. So I could go to all my meat books and see what they all say? I might do that. Or I could just reach for the Doubleday Cookbook . Or if I want a basic recipe for pancakes, I don't just have something in my head, I know it's all in there. Or to figure out a substitution, or figure out why my cake fell, I will go to that book. I think that's the main one. I have favorite authors almost more than favorite cookbooks.

Okay, who are they?
Marcella Hazan in the Italian category. Madhur Jaffrey for the Indian books. Rick Bayless I love for Mexican books. The Union Square cookbook, the Al Forno cookbook, I use those.

So when you're considering books for the GMA end of year list, what qualities are you looking for?
Either something that's a serious tome, meaning that it has tons of research, it's a definitive book, it's extensive. It's a great reference book as well as a good recipe book. That's one. And then the other one is something that's really different, that hasn't been done before. I don't mean it has to be wild and crazy, just I don't want to see the same old recipes over and over and over again. And that happens a lot because people just want to redo the classic Caesar salad or the classic, I don't know, whatever recipe


Moulton on Eater
"Peter Kiewit looked for three things in hiring people. He looked for integrity, intelligence and energy. And he said if a person didn’t have the first…that the latter two would kill him. Because if they don’t have integrity, you want ‘em dumb and lazy. You don’t want ‘em smart and energetic.”

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#2 Wilfrid

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 04:10 PM

True for me. I have "cookbooks" I enjoy browsing, but if I ever need to know how to do something in the kitchen I go online immediately.

Why live your life when you could curate it?

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 06:14 PM

Same for me.

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 06:51 PM

I'm in the cookbook over Internet crowd. I agree that apps and the internet are replacing cookbooks, but the quality of information does not complement the quantity. Everybody thinks they can write a recipe. I have found too many blogs or untested recipes written by people whose only qualification is that they can type and they have an Internet connection.

If I need 'how-to' information I prefer to consult the following:

Jacques Pépin - Complete Techniques
Larousse Gastronomique
Art and Science of Culinary Preparation
New Making of a Cook - Madeleine Kamman
LaVarenne Pratique
Escoffier...
Harold McGee...
James Beard...
Julia Child...
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#5 Wilfrid

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 07:10 PM

I hear you, but I think this reflects the kind of information I am usually looking for - which is not a complete recipe, but much more often a reminder of proportions or cooking times.

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 07:15 PM

...but much more often a reminder of proportions or cooking times.

Chef's Book of Formulas, Yields, and Sizes

Timing is Everything

:lol:

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 09:22 PM

I was visiting my mom this weekend and flipping through some of her cookbooks, the one's that I don't have. I found a couple of interesting recipes so I Googled them, exactly as they were written in the cookbook. I found every one I was looking for, on either a blog, or a site like the Food Network. I simply saved them to my recipe folder in Dropbox and used the recipe when I got home. I find that I'm using cookbooks mainly for inspiration or research. Flipping through cookbooks is still one of my favorite things to do.
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Posted 01 February 2012 - 10:17 PM


...but much more often a reminder of proportions or cooking times.

Chef's Book of Formulas, Yields, and Sizes

Timing is Everything

:lol:


And don't forget Ratio.

As you can all well imagine, I hope that cookbooks continue being produced. :P Whether in hard copy or as an e-book, I don't really care.* Just keep 'em coming! :lol:

May I point out that if there had been no books in the first place, Lauren wouldn't have been able to find some of the recipes on the interwebs. Content has to come from somewhere, and books are a source for (mostly) trustworthy recipes. More trustworthy that the ones people post and repost and rerepost on sites like recipezaar, at any rate. (Really Nice! alluded to this.)

*One of my editor pals at Simon & Schuster absolutely loathes having to do any that will be e-books. I'm sure she is not alone. Me, I don't mind--just means a different way to cross reference--but then I don't have to deal with web people as she does.

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Posted 02 February 2012 - 06:08 PM

And don't forget Ratio.

True, and that is, IMHO, his best solo work but I prefer the ratio spreadsheet I created in culinary school. It has all but one of his entries, but it also has 2 to 3 times as many ratios.

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Posted 02 February 2012 - 06:11 PM



And don't forget Ratio.

True, and that is, IMHO, his best solo work but I prefer the ratio spreadsheet I created in culinary school. It has all but one of his entries, but it also has 2 to 3 times as many ratios.

So are you gonna self-publish it? :lol:

[M]ost of the pastas hover around $25. This ought to be enough to buy bucatini that is cooked on both ends. -- Pete Wells on Caravaggio ( * review)

 

Tonight, there was a dessert of coconut, rhubarb, and black olive. Obvious in its execution how innovation and experiment, when introduced for their own sake, are annoying. --irnscrabblechf52, May 9, 2013

 

notorious stickler -- NY Times
deeply annoying and nitpicking -- Molly O'Neill, One Big Table


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Posted 02 February 2012 - 06:56 PM

So are you gonna self-publish it? :lol:

Nah, but if you want the whole collection the asking price is $50,000. :)

Funny you mentioned Ratio in this topic because that's the only food app I've paid for on my eyephone.

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Posted 02 February 2012 - 07:33 PM


So are you gonna self-publish it? :lol:

Nah, but if you want the whole collection the asking price is $50,000. :)

Funny you mentioned Ratio in this topic because that's the only food app I've paid for on my eyephone.

What, your cookbook collection? How much you want to bet we have a significant overlap? So it wouldn't be worth much to me. :P

[M]ost of the pastas hover around $25. This ought to be enough to buy bucatini that is cooked on both ends. -- Pete Wells on Caravaggio ( * review)

 

Tonight, there was a dessert of coconut, rhubarb, and black olive. Obvious in its execution how innovation and experiment, when introduced for their own sake, are annoying. --irnscrabblechf52, May 9, 2013

 

notorious stickler -- NY Times
deeply annoying and nitpicking -- Molly O'Neill, One Big Table


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Posted 02 February 2012 - 10:18 PM

What, your cookbook collection? How much you want to bet we have a significant overlap? So it wouldn't be worth much to me. :P

Nah, I'm talking about my culinary school notebooks. Seven quarters of culinary training... weighs about 100 pounds. I pretty much guarantee you there is no overlap here with your books or anyone else's, including their culinary notes. I always had a 'value add' attitude to my notes. I did a lot of research for my notebooks to expand upon what we went through in the class. When I look though them I get a feeling that each one could be a stand-alone book. The instructors loved perusing through my notes.

I'm just looking to get some of that tuition back. :)

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Posted 03 February 2012 - 01:01 AM

I went from 6 bookshelves of cookbooks down to two. I only kept the ones signed by the authors.
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