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#1 mongo_jones

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Posted 09 March 2012 - 03:59 AM

over in the beatles thread there's been a lot of bashing of paul macartney's more egregious lyrics. but leave us not forget the man also wrote what is is, i think, the greatest lyric in the history of the universe:

"her name was mcgill/she called herself lil/but everyone knew her as nancy"

on its own it is throwaway absurdist genius. but put it in the context of the rest of the verse and you realize how much more excellent it is.

Now somewhere in the black mountain hills of Dakota
There lived a young boy named Rocky Raccoon
And one day his woman ran off with another guy
Hit young Rocky in the eye Rocky didn't like that
He said I'm gonna get that boy
So one day he walked into town
Booked himself a room in the local saloon

Rocky Raccoon checked into his room
Only to find Gideon's bible
Rocky had come equipped with a gun
To shoot off the legs of his rival
His rival it seems had broken his dreams
By stealing the girl of his fancy
Her name was Magil and she called herself Lil
But everyone knew her as Nancy
Now she and her man who called himself Dan
Were in the next room at the hoe down
Rocky burst in and grinning a grin
He said Danny boy this is a showdown
But Daniel was hot, he drew first and shot
And Rocky collapsed in the corner, ah

....

Now the doctor came in stinking of gin
And proceeded to lie on the table
He said Rocky you met your match
And Rocky said, doc it's only a scratch
And I'll be better I'll be better doc as soon as I am able

And now Rocky Raccoon he fell back in his room
Only to find Gideon's bible
Gideon checked out and he left it no doubt
To help with good Rocky's revival, ah
Oh yeah, yeah


and then, of course, there's all that stuff on the second side of "abbey road".

yes, he wrote some terribly sappy lyrics. but he could just as (seemingly) effortlessly toss out stuff that's up there with the best of the singer-songwriters. he gets a lot of stick for the former (not least from me) but not enough credit for the latter.

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#2 foodie52

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Posted 09 March 2012 - 01:45 PM

Acid is a great revealer of lyrics.
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#3 mongo_jones

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Posted 09 March 2012 - 02:32 PM



purdah nahin jab koi khuda se, bandon se purdah karna kya?
~shaqeel badayuni


if it takes us seven years to prepare for a madness, how long shall it take us to run naked into the marketplace?
~yoruba proverb


facts are meaningless. you could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!
~homer simpson


maybe it wasn't the best wording.
~nathan


#4 Wilfrid

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Posted 09 March 2012 - 03:48 PM

Separate thread for John Lemon?

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Posted 09 March 2012 - 07:11 PM

Separate thread for John Lemon?

Macartney? Lemon? Tsk, tsk.
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Posted 09 March 2012 - 08:36 PM


Separate thread for John Lemon?

Macartney? Lemon? Tsk, tsk.



Shall we fix the title (Paul's last name) or leave as is to honor Mongo?
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Posted 09 March 2012 - 08:40 PM

Leave it. The thread is getting no traction anyway. :D

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#8 g.johnson

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Posted 09 March 2012 - 08:49 PM

One neat line in an overwhelmingly twee song.
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Posted 09 March 2012 - 11:30 PM

over in the beatles thread there's been a lot of bashing of paul macartney's more egregious lyrics. but leave us not forget the man also wrote what is is, i think, the greatest lyric in the history of the universe:

"her name was mcgill/she called herself lil/but everyone knew her as nancy"

on its own it is throwaway absurdist genius. but put it in the context of the rest of the verse and you realize how much more excellent it is.

The thieving bastard stole that line from Firesign Theater.
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#10 hollywood

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Posted 09 March 2012 - 11:42 PM


over in the beatles thread there's been a lot of bashing of paul macartney's more egregious lyrics. but leave us not forget the man also wrote what is is, i think, the greatest lyric in the history of the universe:

"her name was mcgill/she called herself lil/but everyone knew her as nancy"

on its own it is throwaway absurdist genius. but put it in the context of the rest of the verse and you realize how much more excellent it is.

The thieving bastard stole that line from Firesign Theater.

Actually, the other way round.
"In the obscure reference department, the damsel in distress in this episode is either Melanie Haber, Audrey Farber or Betty Joe Bialowski but everyone knows her as Nancy. She is in league with arch villain Rocky Rococo. This is a tip o’ the hat to the Beatles Ballad Of Rocky Racoon. The Rocky part is obvious and Nancy is derived from the lines “Her name was MacGill/And she called herself Lil/But everyone knew her as Nancy”. Once again, if you are not a Beatles fan and the reference goes by unnoticed, it does not detract from the bit at all. If you are a Beatles fan you may recognize the reference subconsciously, and it just makes the sketch that much more surreal." [Discussing Nick Danger.]
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Posted 10 March 2012 - 12:02 AM



over in the beatles thread there's been a lot of bashing of paul macartney's more egregious lyrics. but leave us not forget the man also wrote what is is, i think, the greatest lyric in the history of the universe:

"her name was mcgill/she called herself lil/but everyone knew her as nancy"

on its own it is throwaway absurdist genius. but put it in the context of the rest of the verse and you realize how much more excellent it is.

The thieving bastard stole that line from Firesign Theater.

Actually, the other way round.
"In the obscure reference department, the damsel in distress in this episode is either Melanie Haber, Audrey Farber or Betty Joe Bialowski but everyone knows her as Nancy. She is in league with arch villain Rocky Rococo. This is a tip o’ the hat to the Beatles Ballad Of Rocky Racoon. The Rocky part is obvious and Nancy is derived from the lines “Her name was MacGill/And she called herself Lil/But everyone knew her as Nancy”. Once again, if you are not a Beatles fan and the reference goes by unnoticed, it does not detract from the bit at all. If you are a Beatles fan you may recognize the reference subconsciously, and it just makes the sketch that much more surreal." [Discussing Nick Danger.]

Well, I knew somebody somewhere was a thieving bastard. :lol:
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Posted 10 March 2012 - 01:06 AM

And your first guess is bound to be the scouser.

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Posted 10 March 2012 - 05:47 AM




over in the beatles thread there's been a lot of bashing of paul macartney's more egregious lyrics. but leave us not forget the man also wrote what is is, i think, the greatest lyric in the history of the universe:

"her name was mcgill/she called herself lil/but everyone knew her as nancy"

on its own it is throwaway absurdist genius. but put it in the context of the rest of the verse and you realize how much more excellent it is.

The thieving bastard stole that line from Firesign Theater.

Actually, the other way round.
"In the obscure reference department, the damsel in distress in this episode is either Melanie Haber, Audrey Farber or Betty Joe Bialowski but everyone knows her as Nancy. She is in league with arch villain Rocky Rococo. This is a tip o’ the hat to the Beatles Ballad Of Rocky Racoon. The Rocky part is obvious and Nancy is derived from the lines “Her name was MacGill/And she called herself Lil/But everyone knew her as Nancy”. Once again, if you are not a Beatles fan and the reference goes by unnoticed, it does not detract from the bit at all. If you are a Beatles fan you may recognize the reference subconsciously, and it just makes the sketch that much more surreal." [Discussing Nick Danger.]

Well, I knew somebody somewhere was a thieving bastard. :lol:


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Posted 10 March 2012 - 05:49 AM

Oddly, Peter Bergman just passed. Maybe he can be two places at once now.
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Posted 30 March 2012 - 02:42 AM

Manager Brian Epstein was getting worried about the Beatles' lack of commercial success in America — their earlier singles had flopped there — and so he encouraged Lennon and McCartney to write a song that would appeal to American listeners.[6] McCartney had recently moved into 57 Wimpole Street, London, where he was living as a guest of Dr Richard and Margaret Asher, whose daughter, actress Jane Asher, had become McCartney's steady girlfriend after meeting him earlier in the year. This location briefly became Lennon and McCartney's new writing base, taking over from McCartney's Forthlin Road home in Liverpool.[7]Margaret Asher taught the oboe in a "small, rather stuffy music room" in the basement[7] and it was here that Lennon and McCartney sat at the piano and composed 'I Want to Hold Your Hand



Awesome.. it's amazing how they can just pull this stuff out of their vast creative collectiveness. it's like, wow, amazing. please ignore everything from a minute 09 on.


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