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#721 Sneakeater

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Posted 04 August 2016 - 05:32 AM

Not Danish Modern, but my parents -- who were by most measures pretty poor -- had a glass-table-on-wood-base designed by Isamu Naguchi.


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Posted 04 August 2016 - 05:57 AM

I used to have one of these prints: http://fuckyournoguc...nts-the-perfect

I wonder what happened to it.

I can't remember whether I got that print before or after I got my Noguchi Coffee Table.

When I finally got my Noguchi Coffee Table, I remember feeling quite pleased at myself at finally having a nice (if overdone) piece of furniture.

I wonder if Paul Fussell would still dock points for having Eames chairs if he were to re-make his living room scale.

Oh, I guess he's a bit too dead to do that.

I should really read his book.

I am failing so badly as processing the idea of pieces of furniture that I see as design icons as "just furniture" that it's making me even less coherent than usual.
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#723 taion

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Posted 04 August 2016 - 06:01 AM

Like, my Noguchi Coffee Table was actually an aspirational purchase for me.

I knew people who had fake ones, and the fake ones looked obviously awful because they used little transparent rubber nubs to keep the glass from sliding on the wood base, instead of just having a really big, heavy piece of glass.

What happened?
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#724 Orik

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Posted 04 August 2016 - 06:30 AM

It's a funny offshoot of the current Scandinavian obsession (which obvs I share) that it includes Danish Modern, the furniture of my youth.


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By now I find this stuff really boring and i predict it'll be replaced by the new custom made in 3-4 years. (just because the economics and mto production skills are almost there)
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Posted 04 August 2016 - 01:11 PM

Not Danish Modern, but my parents -- who were by most measures pretty poor -- had a glass-table-on-wood-base designed by Isamu Naguchi.

When I moved to Santa Barbara in '76, we (4 guys from NY) furnished our house with flea market stuff. One of the items was a gorgeous glass-on-wood Naguchi table; I think we probably paid $10 for it.

 

I wish I still had it, but actually there's no room for a coffee table in our apartment's set up.



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Posted 04 August 2016 - 01:45 PM

1. In quality-adjusted terms, the premium for MTM or bespoke menswear is zero or possibly negative. But it's still a niche thing. Maybe less so here? At most price points, if you're a male in New York who has a suit, Mr Ned strictly dominates other options... but only a few people know about and use him.

 

2. I thought I got a good deal when I caught the Herman Miller sale and got 15% off and free shipping on my coffee table.


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Posted 04 August 2016 - 01:47 PM

It's such a stereotypical yupster coffee table.

 

It wouldn't be in that illustration in the Verge piece otherwise.

 

There wouldn't be a blog called "Fuck Your Noguchi Coffee Table" otherwise.

 

Heck, I probably wouldn't have gotten one otherwise.


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#728 Wilfrid

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Posted 04 August 2016 - 03:27 PM

Not just the high economic status group - it's ubiquitous.

But the fact that this sub culture became the norm is exactly my point.

 

I'm sure we disagreed about this several years ago, but it's a norm only within certain demographics.  There are an awful lot of people in New York who haven't adopted anything resembling a hipster aesthetic.



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Posted 04 August 2016 - 03:29 PM

Sure. So what's happening is that the yupster wave is more or less gentrifying out everything of actual interest in all the major metropolitan areas.
 

 

Not in huge areas of NYC.  But areas we probably don't talk about here very much.



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Posted 04 August 2016 - 03:29 PM

Yes - I think it's easy to get a skewed sense of things.

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Posted 04 August 2016 - 03:32 PM

For example, I don't think wearing your pants around your knees is part of a hipster aesthetic, but it's not unpopular.



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Posted 04 August 2016 - 03:39 PM

Well yeah. Most guys are wearing cargo shorts but that's not really the point. The points are:

1. Global urban culture is now remarkably consistent across a certain socioeconomic group. That coffee shop exists everywhere from New York to Singapore.

2. Relatedly, the "nice" restaurant in most towns increasingly looks like New York 2007, even f it's patronized by the cargo short crowd.

(Pants around knees is an adorable trope for hip hop style, though. Not what most of those kids are wearing now.)

I think you need to interpret what I'm saying in a reasonable way.


#733 taion

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Posted 04 August 2016 - 03:44 PM

@Wilfrid:
 
Exactly right. Not even major metropolitan areas as a whole – the "gentrified" parts of major metropolitan areas... except that this generally includes all the city centers that are of real cultural interest.


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Posted 04 August 2016 - 03:46 PM

across a certain socioeconomic group

 

 

That's all I was looking for.

 

A simple trope is sometimes a good way to get a message across.



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Posted 04 August 2016 - 03:54 PM

It's a extraordinarily globalized, homogeneous upper-middle- to upper- class.


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