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#1 Wilfrid

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Posted 11 July 2019 - 11:22 PM

We have the Snake Diet thread, but otherwise not much on Keto. Has anyone else tried it? Kind of a more reasoned version of Atkins.

Full disclosure, I’ve been on it for six or seven weeks, and it’s been incredibly easy, effective, and also informative about the whole hunger thing.

I can readily imagine (and describe) people who wouldn’t find it easy. In code (per Plotnicki) easy for French eaters, hard for Italian.

And related to the last point, pretty easy to follow in the kinds of restaurants I like to go to (piece of meat or fish artfully arranged on plate, simple garnish).

#2 Orik

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Posted 12 July 2019 - 01:14 AM

Might not be the best for bones and kidneys if you keep at it, but certainly a way to lose weight while eating delicious, expensive things. 


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Posted 12 July 2019 - 01:09 PM

I think that every other person I know is on this diet. I see 99% of them cheat regularly. Doesn't that defeat the purpose of the diet? I mean, I don't believe you can put your body into ketosis if you are cheating on the diet. And isn't ketosis necessary in order for the diet to work?

 

Honestly, I'm not one to follow any diet. What works best for me is to limit consumption of calorie-laden foods (carbs), eat more veggies and lighten up on sauces and desserts.


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#4 AaronS

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Posted 12 July 2019 - 02:02 PM

daniel posted about trying it somewhere.

#5 Orik

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Posted 12 July 2019 - 03:01 PM

I think that every other person I know is on this diet. I see 99% of them cheat regularly. Doesn't that defeat the purpose of the diet? I mean, I don't believe you can put your body into ketosis if you are cheating on the diet. And isn't ketosis necessary in order for the diet to work?

 

Honestly, I'm not one to follow any diet. What works best for me is to limit consumption of calorie-laden foods (carbs), eat more veggies and lighten up on sauces and desserts.

 

The ketosis part is a red herring - it helps create a substantial initial weight loss due to less water being retained, which encourages people to continue. Later on it's about calories, as usual. 

 

See for example

 

https://jamanetwork....article/2673150


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#6 Wilfrid

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Posted 12 July 2019 - 03:33 PM

daniel posted about trying it somewhere.

 

Snake Diet thread, but the snake thing is something else.



#7 Wilfrid

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Posted 12 July 2019 - 03:39 PM

 

I think that every other person I know is on this diet. I see 99% of them cheat regularly. Doesn't that defeat the purpose of the diet? I mean, I don't believe you can put your body into ketosis if you are cheating on the diet. And isn't ketosis necessary in order for the diet to work?
 
Honestly, I'm not one to follow any diet. What works best for me is to limit consumption of calorie-laden foods (carbs), eat more veggies and lighten up on sauces and desserts.

 
The ketosis part is a red herring - it helps create a substantial initial weight loss due to less water being retained, which encourages people to continue. Later on it's about calories, as usual. 
 
See for example
 
https://jamanetwork....article/2673150

 

 
"There was no significant difference in 12-month weight loss between the healthy low fat and healthy low carb diets..." as a general proposition is one thing. For me, I can't stick to a low fat diet, so there is a difference. (Yes, I have in the past, but it's miserable.)

 

The mechanism for weight loss on keto might indeed be calorie reduction rather than ketosis, but the reduction in calories might be due to reduction in hunger (which for me has been the most dramatic thing about it), which in turn I assume has something to do with blood sugar levels not yo-yoing thanks to carbs.



#8 Wilfrid

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Posted 12 July 2019 - 03:42 PM

Re "cheating," I don't have much temptation to cheat. Again, this is personal. For anyone who regularly includes pasta, pizza, or rice in their diet, let alone desserts, this would be a struggle. 

 

It's that French/Italian thing.  I'd rather eat pork and a salad, followed by cheese, than a pizza followed by tiramisu. Any day.



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Posted 12 July 2019 - 04:08 PM

 

 

I think that every other person I know is on this diet. I see 99% of them cheat regularly. Doesn't that defeat the purpose of the diet? I mean, I don't believe you can put your body into ketosis if you are cheating on the diet. And isn't ketosis necessary in order for the diet to work?
 
Honestly, I'm not one to follow any diet. What works best for me is to limit consumption of calorie-laden foods (carbs), eat more veggies and lighten up on sauces and desserts.

 
The ketosis part is a red herring - it helps create a substantial initial weight loss due to less water being retained, which encourages people to continue. Later on it's about calories, as usual. 
 
See for example
 
https://jamanetwork....article/2673150

 

 
"There was no significant difference in 12-month weight loss between the healthy low fat and healthy low carb diets..." as a general proposition is one thing. For me, I can't stick to a low fat diet, so there is a difference. (Yes, I have in the past, but it's miserable.)

 

The mechanism for weight loss on keto might indeed be calorie reduction rather than ketosis, but the reduction in calories might be due to reduction in hunger (which for me has been the most dramatic thing about it), which in turn I assume has something to do with blood sugar levels not yo-yoing thanks to carbs.

 

 

Yes, no doubt if you can more easily stick to the diet then it's a better diet for you. I saw a mouse study where mice offered a keto diet weighed about as much as ones on a low fat diet, but the researchers noted that they seemed happier. 

 

Personally I lose weight like a champ doing this, but after a few days (when I assume ketosis kicks in), I develop a very clear sensation of impending doom - apparently a known side effect. 


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#10 Wilfrid

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Posted 12 July 2019 - 05:08 PM

The so-called "Keto flu" is real, and not much fun, but it was over in three days. Fatigue, aching joints, lack of focus.

 

When I've reached certain targets, my plan is to moderate the diet by reintroducing big fancy sandwiches. :)



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Posted 12 July 2019 - 06:54 PM

Maybe we should offer chicharrones preparados  :D


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Posted 12 July 2019 - 07:29 PM

Fatigue, aching joints, lack of focus.

I'm not in ketosis, but I've had this for like 40 years.



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Posted 12 July 2019 - 07:58 PM

a very clear sensation of impending doom


And I've had this for nearly 63.
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#14 Wilfrid

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Posted 12 July 2019 - 08:33 PM

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Posted 12 July 2019 - 08:46 PM

Wow. They would be kind of great if they had buns.
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