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  1. Upon reflection, I decided not offer any personal views or perspectives on the situation. Nor will I read or participate any longer in this thread or answer any PMs on the subject. I am not interested in a debate or in trying to achieve any particular outcome. My views have been posted, according to one, repeatedly. And please enjoy your botulitic pancetta. It is best eaten rare with a good chianti.

  2. Sir, it is to be remarked that those who whine loudest for the termination of this thread are those that do their best to perpetuate it.

     

    Okay, I don't whine, I have no horse to back in this discussion and I hate when a thread is closed. But explain (anyone) to me the current purpose of this thread except to lambast each other?

    I don't think it should be closed. I do think people should stop posting in it and am mystified as to why Rose, Melnious and Steve R think that repeating the same arguments over and over is productive.

    Rose posted once, so she did not repeat anything.

    I don't recall repeating any argument other than my feeling that the thread is odious. I did post a personal answer to Greasey's disingenuous, sincere, question asking Steve R what Omni had contributed to MF that warranted his support of her. I imagine once is too much for some. :lol:

     

    If any member wishes to read my version of the events that led up to Omni's absense from MF, I'd be willing to relate them via PM or email. Bear in mind it is my version, and no one else's.

  3. Omni could have remained and chose not to.

     

    Steve, I am asking this as a fairly distant participant here. Please, it is not intended as a loaded question...just a matter of ongoing curiosity as I have (not copiously) scanned this thread.

     

    What has Omivorette done for the benefit of MF that you feel warrants your voluminous support?

    Just for the record: She and a small group of members created the site from zero, made it a lively and interesting place to post and share experiences, posted voluminously about her meals and evaluations of restaurants far and wide, organized social events that brought members together, created friendships, added an atmosphere of enthusiasm, excitement and fun, created many threads about cooking, was a catalyst to many meals, stimulated discussion about canning, making butter and cheese, identified sources for specific ingredients, pumped life into the board a times when it was dormant, brought many new members into the site, carried on lively conversations via email and PMs outside of the board, started discussions about family heritage and cooking, participated in many threads with an open, responsive attitude and was basically fun to be with here. For my nickle, she helped to make MF the kind of place where I wanted to participate actively. But I'm not sure others would consider that a good thing.

     

    Of course I am speaking for myself, and biased perspective as MF member # 36 who joined in 1994.

    Before there was an internet, even.

    I know I can count on Rant as my fact checker. :lol: :lol:

     

  4. Omni could have remained and chose not to.

     

    Steve, I am asking this as a fairly distant participant here. Please, it is not intended as a loaded question...just a matter of ongoing curiosity as I have (not copiously) scanned this thread.

     

    What has Omivorette done for the benefit of MF that you feel warrants your voluminous support?

    Just for the record: She and a small group of members created the site from zero, made it a lively and interesting place to post and share experiences, posted voluminously about her meals and evaluations of restaurants far and wide, organized social events that brought members together, created friendships, added an atmosphere of enthusiasm, excitement and fun, created many threads about cooking, was a catalyst to many meals, stimulated discussion about canning, making butter and cheese, identified sources for specific ingredients, pumped life into the board a times when it was dormant, brought many new members into the site, carried on lively conversations via email and PMs outside of the board, started discussions about family heritage and cooking, participated in many threads with an open, responsive attitude and was basically fun to be with here. For my nickle, she helped to make MF the kind of place where I wanted to participate actively. But I'm not sure others would consider that a good thing.

     

    Of course I am speaking for myself, and biased perspective as MF member # 36 who joined in 1994.

     

    I am delighted to know we were the first of the boards. I agree with absolutely every word of that, and it was a very good thing.

    Uh, make that 2004.

  5. To expand a bit on the earlier answer, Omni introduced me to Ali's Kabab Café, Yakitoro Toto, Numerous sushi places, Hearth, Pearl Oyster Bar, several places in Queens, DiFara's, to name the ones that readily come to mind. Omni introduced me to more restaurants than any other single person with the exception of Steve Plotnicki.

  6. Omni could have remained and chose not to.

     

    Steve, I am asking this as a fairly distant participant here. Please, it is not intended as a loaded question...just a matter of ongoing curiosity as I have (not copiously) scanned this thread.

     

    What has Omivorette done for the benefit of MF that you feel warrants your voluminous support?

    Just for the record: She and a small group of members created the site from zero, made it a lively and interesting place to post and share experiences, posted voluminously about her meals and evaluations of restaurants far and wide, organized social events that brought members together, created friendships, added an atmosphere of enthusiasm, excitement and fun, created many threads about cooking, was a catalyst to many meals, stimulated discussion about canning, making butter and cheese, identified sources for specific ingredients, pumped life into the board a times when it was dormant, brought many new members into the site, carried on lively conversations via email and PMs outside of the board, started discussions about family heritage and cooking, participated in many threads with an open, responsive attitude and was basically fun to be with here. For my nickle, she helped to make MF the kind of place where I wanted to participate actively. But I'm not sure others would consider that a good thing.

     

    Of course I am speaking for myself, and biased perspective as MF member # 36 who joined in 2004.

  7. I have done what I am criticising others for, and I am ashamed and think less of myself for it. The sites I participate on now do no tolerate talk of others who are not there, nor do they tolerate people who do so. In reflection, I realized that the childish and small minded ridicule of another person on a site is just that. It is the kind of stuff that went on in high school. It is adolescent and petty and cruel. That I did it shows me that I can fall into such behavior if I don't stop myself. And I have.

     

    No one can tell me that this thread is analogous to the thread about Maurice, except those who wish to twist their own logic to justify their petty behavior. Disingenuous and hypocritical.

     

    All that is needed for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing.

    The thread about Maurice was wretched and embarassing. This thread (IMO of course) is just silly and pointless.

     

    Nice to hear the sites you are now participating on are so high-minded and eschew petty ridicule of, not to mention downright tormenting of, others. I suppose religion come to lately is better than no religion at all.

    Since guidelines prohibit discussing religion, I cannot reply except to say that crap is crap. Old crap does not mean a place is available for piling new crap onto it. Unless one is a ferrell.

     

    Is that a metaphor? Because if it is I need an explanation, I'm not terribly bright you know.

     

    And what on earth is a ferrell?

    Sorry, first of all, you, dear Daisy, are as far from ferrell as it is possible to be, so no personal reference was implied. And frankly, I cannot reconstruct the train of logic that led me to that post, so let's call it a brainfart. :lol: And yes, I have come to conclude that some things about myself in the past I am proud of and wish to redeem with the ghosts of Christmas yet to come.

  8. I could not have written it better Steve.

    Over and out, I hope.

     

    In fact, I made my real points thru PM so as not to inflame the situation after it became clear where it was going.

    I'll ask a similar question to the one Steve R and Melonious Thunk are avoiding. Where did the thread go? Are you implying that people have been insulting omnivorette? If so where?

     

    Prof. J: we agree on one thing... I am avoiding getting back into an argument about whether or not omni's treatment was unkind, insulting and against MF regulations just before she left... is my belief that it was. And I sincerely believe that I can make that case. But I'm not trying to convince you about this and I'm not trying to convince anyone that she didnt give as good as she got (and then some). She's quite capable of fighting her own fights & making her own case when she wishes to and I'm her friend, not her protector or counselor.

     

    However, what I was & am concerned about is this site and in keeping it a place that folks with different perspectives can co-exist without major discomfort. If anything, my posts on this thread are more about me than Omni. If you go back to the original posts on this thread, you will find that Awbrig asked a question, Suzanne then Lex answered, then Mongo sarcastically said something that I thought was not funny, then said I didnt believe I misunderstood. Mongo and I then pm'ed about this. My problem was that Mongo's comments were making me uncomfortable, being sarcastic about a friend of mine that was no longer on the board. As I said to him, I thought that his posts might open a one sided flood gate that I would not like to see, as I didnt want to fight about history nor just sit there while others wrote it. As I've continued to say from that point on, my only desire is to have folks back away from what you're asking me to engage in. No, I dont think the discussion on this thread is against the MF guidelines, only that it will serve no purpose other than further polarization of MF members. So, again, I am not asking Admins to do anything... my only request is that we, as individuals, show we can just let it go.

     

  9. I have done what I am criticising others for, and I am ashamed and think less of myself for it. The sites I participate on now do no tolerate talk of others who are not there, nor do they tolerate people who do so. In reflection, I realized that the childish and small minded ridicule of another person on a site is just that. It is the kind of stuff that went on in high school. It is adolescent and petty and cruel. That I did it shows me that I can fall into such behavior if I don't stop myself. And I have.

     

    No one can tell me that this thread is analogous to the thread about Maurice, except those who wish to twist their own logic to justify their petty behavior. Disingenuous and hypocritical.

     

    All that is needed for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing.

    The thread about Maurice was wretched and embarassing. This thread (IMO of course) is just silly and pointless.

     

    Nice to hear the sites you are now participating on are so high-minded and eschew petty ridicule of, not to mention downright tormenting of, others. I suppose religion come to lately is better than no religion at all.

    Since guidelines prohibit discussing religion, I cannot reply except to say that crap is crap. Old crap does not mean a place is available for piling new crap onto it. Unless one is a ferrell.

  10. I have done what I am criticising others for, and I am ashamed and think less of myself for it. The sites I participate on now do no tolerate talk of others who are not there, nor do they tolerate people who do so. In reflection, I realized that the childish and small minded ridicule of another person on a site is just that. It is the kind of stuff that went on in high school. It is adolescent and petty and cruel. That I did it shows me that I can fall into such behavior if I don't stop myself. And I have.

     

    No one can tell me that this thread is analogous to the thread about Maurice, except those who wish to twist their own logic to justify their petty behavior. Disingenuous and hypocritical.

     

    All that is needed for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing.

  11. I wonder how some on this site would feel if there were a thread named for them that ran into two hundred posts that they would not read nor respond to? I wonder if they'd like that idea? I wouldn't. Not one bit. I would be angry and I would feel demeaned. And I would not feel much respect for those who had fun at my expense. Not much respect at all. Don't you think this has gone on long enough? Don't you think it should be removed? Or are your personal "guidelines" such that it is just fine with you?

    As I'm sure you know, Plotinki posts about us frequently. Flattering in a way.

    So you have chosen a good role model eh?

  12. And what do you think about it?

     

    i think you've now made 8 posts in this thread. and that roughly 190 more of the the remaining 196 are about as insulting or demeaning to omni as any of yours.

    Your quantitative analytical skills are impressive. Here's a gallon of fresh apple cider for you. It has just .5 cl of cyanide in it. Have a drink.

  13. I wonder how some on this site would feel if there were a thread named for them that ran into two hundred posts that they would not read nor respond to? I wonder if they'd like that idea? I wouldn't. Not one bit. I would be angry and I would feel demeaned. And I would not feel much respect for those who had fun at my expense. Not much respect at all. Don't you think this has gone on long enough? Don't you think it should be removed? Or are your personal "guidelines" such that it is just fine with you?

    What are you suggesting? No talk of anyone who doesn't read/has no interest in the site? I don't think you had any qualms about posting about Maurice Naughton who could neither read nor respond to threads that discussed him. You have never posted on living people who didn't read the board or had no interest in responding?

     

    Again, the guidelines that you refer to are the ones that Omni co-wrote. These are not personal guidelines of any one individual here. They are the ones that have stood the test of going on 5 years.

    What a disingenuous reply. So you are telling me you would feel just fine if a thread containing some uncomplimentary comments about you existed on a site you didn't read? That Maurice was someone I respected, liked and missed seems to escape you. I recall his thread was a memorial, BTW. And yes, I posted unfavorably about someone in those circumstances and was sorry I did. In fact, I felt ashamed of myself for doing it. Some people have guidelines for personal behavior that exist outside of MF, or do they have no bearing on this issue for you?

  14. I wonder how some on this site would feel if there were a thread named for them that ran into two hundred posts that they would not read nor respond to? I wonder if they'd like that idea? I wouldn't. Not one bit. I would be angry and I would feel demeaned. And I would not feel much respect for those who had fun at my expense. Not much respect at all. Don't you think this has gone on long enough? Don't you think it should be removed? Or are your personal "guidelines" such that it is just fine with you?

  15. I recall offending myself once and got so angry that I left and didn't come back until I returned.

     

    Hello, I must be going.

    I cannot stay,

    I came to say

    I must be going.

    I'm glad I came

    but just the same

    I must be going.

     

    For my sake you must stay,

    for if you go away,

    you'll spoil this party

    I am throwing.

     

    I'll stay a week or two,

    I'll stay the summer through,

    but I am telling you,

    I must be going.

  16. Food TV has deteriorated as has much of mainstream TV to the lowest common denominator. I rarely stop at the Food TV channel more than ten seconds anymore. But just look at CNN. Hughley Breaks the News. Should be called Hughely Breaks Wind. And that self-important hot shot Rick Chavez is barely tolerable. Essentially, TV that gets major ratings or tries for them sucks monkey ass (to use somone else's term) big time. Without MSNBC, TCM and WNET and the occasional program on the various cable channels, my TV watching would be less than 30 minutes a week. So I see food tv as no different that popular tv. Shit on a hi-def shingle.

  17. Pepe Le Moko--1937

    Algiers--1938

    Casbah--1948

     

    By the way, did you catch the scene in Pepe where he's wearing a shirt with JG monogrammed on it?

     

    I have a pretty good memory, but that'sa bit much for an eight year old to

    notice. After all Jean Georges is pretty recent.

  18. It's your memory, but are you sure you saw the original Pepe Le Moko with Jean Gabin and not the American remake, Algiers, with Charles Boyer? There was even a remake with music, Casbah, with Tony Martin.

    I saw both, but I did not see the Boyer one until much later. I honestly don't know how it came to be playing where it was. Perhaps I am wrong, but I remember the smokey light and the exotic feeling of the scenes. I think it was dubbed and not with subtitles, because I doubt I could have read them well enough at eight or nine years old. I know the Boyer movie came out in 1948 so that would make the time right, but perhaps the distributor saw an opportunity to get more mileage from the 1938 French film. I saw the Gabin movie on TMC nbot long ago, and it tirggered a lot of old memories. The Boyer movie was not as evocative for me. I remember walking around as a kid saying "I am Pepay Luhmokko, ze thif." in my best imitation of a French accent. Heddy Lamar was in the Boyer movie, and a French actress was in the Gabin film. Lamar was a knockout, but the French actress was sooo exotic. I never saw the musical.

  19. No. It has a Queens post office address, but it's in The Bronx. Rikers Island to be precise.

     

    The Marble Hill of detention facilities.

    Not quite. The post office address is because the bridge that provides access to the island runs from Queens. Marble Hill, on the other hand, has recently been definitively established as being in New York County but Bronx Borough. And don't forget the little island where I reside. The City Charter was amended to pronounce it Manhattan rather than Queens, where it had always been, so as to market the apartments.

     

    Places on Randall's Island/Wards Island have an E. 125th St Manhattan address.

    So when are those hospitals being converted to luxury condos?

    As soon as the criminally insane receive their bailout money from the stimulus package.

     

  20. http://stuffthathappens.typepad.com/my_web...fternoon-k.html

     

    I decided to dig back into the movies I saw as a kid and try to identify the ones that had a real impact on me. I mean those that helped form my view of the world and even parts of my character. To my surprise, I was able to go right down the list, as I grew up from six or seven to my early teens, and pluck out those movies that stuck with me. Since this covers the period from 1945 to 1960, it may predate many of you youngsters. But perhaps you've seen the same films at a similar stage in your life. I wonder which ones had an impact on you.

     

    The interesting thing to me is that these films really were a part of my life, my personality and character. They taught me what to fear, what to value and what to lust after, long before life experience tempered the fantasies.

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