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No he didn't. The offensive coordinator calls the plays. But Shottenheimer is responsible for even thinking about going for it.

 

Tomlinson, the best player in football, only touched the ball 8 times in the 2nd half. Criminal.

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No he didn't. The offensive coordinator calls the plays. But Shottenheimer is responsible for even thinking about going for it.

 

Tomlinson, the best player in football, only touched the ball 8 times in the 2nd half. Criminal.

Agreed!

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Recent events show why Vinatieri is not only a great choice for the Colts, but the Colts were a great choice for Vinatieri.

 

The more focused upon reasons at the time of Vinatieri's move, from AV's perspective, to the Colts include:

 

> Patriots' delay in negotiating a contract with which AV was satisfied, and framing any contract negotiations as a business decision instead of emphasizing AV's roles in the three Superbowls

 

> Colts' compensation package and, equally importantly for a kicker of AV's age (even though AV has at least several great years to go), certain assurances regarding the stability of that compensation regardless of performance

 

> Ability to align himself with a playoff contender and a prolific quarterback and offense

 

> Ability to improve his stats (including for an increased chance at Hall of Fame enshrinement) while kicking indoors in a dome environment

 

However, more subtle aspects of why the move to the Colts was a good move for AV are as follows:

 

> Key player stability and coaching stability. Peyton is going to be a Colts for life, because of his comp package. Harrison and Peyton have played together for a long time and Harrison will probably retire as a Colt. Even after Harrison's retirement, there is Reggie Wayne as a very prolific WR. Equally importantly, Dungy has been coaching Petyon for a long time, and has the franchise QB's full confidence. Dungy is, as far as NFL coaches go, relatively secure in his position. Therefore, AV knows that the Colts are probably to be contending for a while and give AV chances to improve his numbers and his already fabled clutch kicker status.

 

> History of Unpopular Kicker. Mike V was very unpopular as a kicker, not only because of his miss that cost the Colts playoff progression last year. Mike V's attitude was bad, and he was not particularly liked by Peyton. Therefore, AV knew that he was stepping into the shoes of a kicker who was not paritucularly liked both within the team and by the fans. This left AV, who alredy was a national star from his Superbowl efforts, with a prime opportunity to quickly embed himself into the hearts of his colleagues and his local/regional fans.

 

> History of Colts Playoff Failures. Given the history of the Colts' playoff performances (or lack thereof) prior to this year, AV had a chance to be viewed as being an important factor if the Colts win the Superbowl one of these years (which I believe they will, hopefully this year). AV will get much of the credit, including for making Peyton feel more confident once he reached a certain point in key drives.

 

> Boosting the Stats. It is very difficult for a "pure" kicker, like AV, to be enshrined in the Hall of Fame. There is only one person who has done this so far. While qualitative factors (here, AV has a real leg up on the competition, given his two SB kicks and the snow kicks and a lot of game-winning kicks) are important, stats are also crucial. Here is where it gets quite interesting:

 

Here are some facts from Jan Stenerud's HoF bio:

 

-- "With 1,699 points, he ranked behind only the fabled George Blanda in all-time scoring at the time of his retirement."

 

-- "His 373 career field goals"

 

-- "Seven seasons of scoring 100 or more points"

 

-- "Kicked 17 field goals over 50 yards"

 

-- "Personal best was a 55-yarder against Denver in 1970"

 

1) Total Career Points (Stenerud at 1699): AV has over 1200 by now. That means that, if AV continues at the same rate, he could probably make up the difference in total points earned

 

AV Regular Season points: Remember, AV got 113 points in the regular season this year, even though he was out with an injury for 3 games. The more prolific the offence, the more potential opportunities for the field goals. Even though Peyton tends to get a lot of touchdowns, the offensive power is still a very good thing for AV.

 

At the same rate, if he had played 16 games, he could conceivably have added 139 points over 16 games. That is not far off what he scored playing 16 games during a few of his seasons at New England (e.g., 2004 -- 31 field goals * 3 + 48 extra points = 141 points in regular season only!)

 

The more touchdowns his QB can score, the more "easy" extra points. Peyton was the #1 touchdown scorer in the regular season this year, and frequently leads in that category.

 

Getting back to total career points, AV is the Patriots' leading scorer (bar nobody) at 1158 total points. This year, he got 113 during the Colts' regular season and added 11 points (3 FG and 2 extra points) in the playoff game against the Chiefs, and 15 points in the recent game against the Ravens ( :lol: ). That seems to indicate that AV's total career points scored is now 1297 (he has already gained 139 points this year, while being absent from 3 regular seasons games).

 

That means that AV is now only 403 points shy of breaking Stenerud's total points scored number, which would make a very useful point when AV is being considered for the Hall of Fame. If healthy and relatively effective, AV could do that in about 3 seasons more with playoffs included.

 

Analysis on the other HoF stats to come. :lol:

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2) Existing kicker HoFer has 373 career field goals

 

AV has a total of 288 regular season field goals, including this year. We also know that his recent 4th (out of 5) FG successful kicks was a record-setting 33d career postseason field goals. So his total career field goal tally is 322. He only needs 51 FG more. His lowest FG in the regular season in his whole time at the NFL is 20. His highest for the regular season is 31 (achieved twice). Even at the slowest rate, AV could take over Stenerud in 3 years.

 

3) Existing kicker HoFer has seven seasons of scoring 100 or more points

 

The Colts website notes that AV has "opened career with 10 consecutive 100+ point seasons", not counting 2006. Therefore, AV now has 11 consecutive 100+ point seasons, and has bested Stenerud already.

 

4) Existing kicker HoFer has 17 FGs over 50 yards

 

In the regular season, AV had these kicks over 50 yards.

 

52 yards (1997)

55 yards (1998; need to check whether the other 50-yard-or-greater FG was over 50 yards or not)

51 yards (1999)

53 yards (2000)

54 yards (2001)

57 yards (2002)

__________

Total of at least 6 greater-than-50-yarders in regular season so far

 

I'm going to have to do some research on any playoff results, apart from the 51-yarder against the Ravens.

 

So, AV has at least 7 FGs of over 50 yards, even before I've finished work on reviewing the playoff situation. Even though AV will probably never match the 17 FGs Stenerud has in this range, at least kicking in a dome environment at home will give him the best possible chance.

 

5) Existing kicker HoFer has personal best of a 55-yarder

 

AV's personal best is a 57-yarder. He also has a 55-yarder. Here, AV doesn't need to do anymore.

 

So, all in all, things are looking pretty good for AV to get into the HoF. His move to the Colts might have helped him a bit in some respects, assuming that he was not to stay at New England as an initial matter.

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there is another, simpler explanation: the colts offered him more money and he took it. he might have taken a job with the cardinals if they'd offered even more. the colts offered him more money because he's more dependable than vanderjagt and hadn't pissed them off yet.

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That was the most amateurish performance I've ever seen by a professional sports team :lol:

Yes, you never were a big cricket fan, were you.

I assume you're referring to the last Ashes series, in which case I'd say that the England display wasn't amateurish, it was simply inadequate.

 

England were totally outclassed in cricket skills and ability by the Australians.

 

By contrast, I think the Chargers were a better footballing team on the day than the Patriots, but individuals made unbelievably amateurish plays (most obviously the attempted interception run-back on 4th down in the last quarter), and a number of sideline decisions were amateurish.

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there is another, simpler explanation: the colts offered him more money and he took it. he might have taken a job with the cardinals if they'd offered even more. the colts offered him more money because he's more dependable than vanderjagt and hadn't pissed them off yet.

 

Exactly. See Edgerin James.

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On E James, see J Addai (with some D Rhodes added in). A super rookie -- arguably better than Mahoney (spelling) RB at the Patriots, even though Addai was drafted lower. :lol:

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On E James, see J Addai (with some D Rhodes added in). A super rookie -- arguably better than Mahoney (spelling) RB at the Patriots, even though Addai was drafted lower. :lol:

Laurence Maroney. We can just imagine what his schoolmates teased him with.

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Another record:

 

In the Ravens game, Vinatieri tied George Blanda's record by scoring in his 19th consecutive playoff game.

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cabrales, are you engaged in some sort of speed course in football?

 

does anybody need convincing that vinatieri is a great kicker?

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That was the most amateurish performance I've ever seen by a professional sports team :lol:

Yes, you never were a big cricket fan, were you.

I assume you're referring to the last Ashes series, in which case I'd say that the England display wasn't amateurish, it was simply inadequate.

 

England were totally outclassed in cricket skills and ability by the Australians.

 

By contrast, I think the Chargers were a better footballing team on the day than the Patriots, but individuals made unbelievably amateurish plays (most obviously the attempted interception run-back on 4th down in the last quarter), and a number of sideline decisions were amateurish.

 

I was actually thinking of the England XI led by Peter Roebuck which managed to get beaten by a scratch Dutch team back in the 1980s. :lol:

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Oh, yeah!!!! :lol:

 

Interestingly, Harrison wasn't effective, nor was R Wayne particularly good. Not new for this playoff season, but an amazing comeback victory by the Colts.

 

And Vinatieri has kicked a single season playoff NFL record of 11 FGs already -- he will get more probably in the Superbowl. Although Gost did well too for the Patriots.

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Oh, yeah!!!! :lol:

 

Interestingly, Harrison wasn't effective, nor was R Wayne particularly good.

 

It was not the case that Harrison was not effective, but more that the Patriots were overloading the right side of the secondary to double and triple team Harrison on every route. Once Peyton and co. recognized this he started throwing to the left side, which resulted in the game winning drive.

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