Anthony Bonner Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 the irony is that the grill's bar is the hedge fundiest place on earth and is a bit notorious for uhm - other services available there for the "discerning gentleman of variable morals" Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sneakeater Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 Exactly! (Hey someplace had to replace the back-in-the-day Monkey Bar!) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Anthony Bonner Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 The funny thing is that if you asked the TAK house clientele which was finance bro douche-ier - TAK house or the Grill -they would unanimously say The Grill - and they would not really consider finance bro a pejorative. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sneakeater Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 That's the thing. For all his railing against "the 1%", I don't think Sutton really minds Finance Bros. They're young! He just doesn't like Olds and the way they eat. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Daniel Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 Who is Ryan Sutton, is he young? I always just assumed all of these people are so much older than me but, that was my line of thinking 15 years ago.. Now, I am the old one. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sneakeater Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 He graduated college in 2001. So he's in his early 40s. You tell me whether that's young. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sweatshorts Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 56 minutes ago, Sneakeater said: That's the thing. For all his railing against "the 1%", I don't think Sutton really minds Finance Bros. They're young! He just doesn't like Olds and the way they eat. Of course he doesn't, he was describing every other dish as "heady" at Bloomberg before he did it at Eater. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Daniel Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 8 minutes ago, Sneakeater said: He graduated college in 2001. So he's in his early 40s. You tell me whether that's young. Seems like the perfect age to me. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sneakeater Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 7 hours ago, Wilfrid said: But yes, there's a lot else to object to, like the implication in the closing sentence that it's mandatory for restaurants to have "culinary significance." Why? Countries like France and Spain (just looking at Europe) are full of good places to eat at all levels which have no particular "significance." Which brings me to the silly Pete Wells comment which I hadn't previously noticed: "strait-laced, spice-free food" is not just eaten by rich white Americans. French bistro cuisine, for example, is largely spice-free and could certainly be described as "strait-laced." European "peasant" cuisine (as in The Rich Tradition) is rarely spicy (okay, paprika) and is not exactly permissive, abandoned, reckless or dissolute (opposite terms to "strait-laced" according to the internet). Here I go sounding like a broken record, but that's a consequence of not having a strong indigenous food culture. No one expects "significance" from steakhouses -- they're just allowed to be what they are, cuz they're something we all know and can appreciate without thinking about it. But at least up here in New York that's about all we've got. Everything else has to be "significant" because we don't have deeply embedded traditional foodways to fall back on and appreciate almost instinctively as they do in France and Spain. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sneakeater Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 Just now, Daniel said: Seems like the perfect age to me. I figured you'd say that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Adrian Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 3 hours ago, Sneakeater said: That's the thing. For all his railing against "the 1%", I don't think Sutton really minds Finance Bros. They're young! He just doesn't like Olds and the way they eat. He dislikes them, but he doesn't dislike the way they eat: https://ny.eater.com/2019/10/15/20913008/sushi-noda-noz-review-nyc-restaurant-omakase The review of Gabriel Kreuther maybe fills in the story - https://ny.eater.com/2015/11/18/9752834/gabriel-kreuther-restaurant-review/. Culturally, it seems directionally correct - chef with one restaurant serving ambitious food on his own in a fairly classic style - but Sutton objects to the style of the restaurant, despite conceding that it's well done ("generous"). He wants to say it's "snooty" but he can't, because he doesn't actually assess it to be that, so he falls back on "inaccessible". Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sneakeater Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 Yeah, you're right. Sutton doesn't like Finance Bros, but he feels generational solidarity with their eating habits. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wilfrid Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 6 hours ago, Sneakeater said: You know what? I'd have capitalized that headline the same way. Capital “i” for “it” but not for “in”? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wilfrid Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 @sneak Yes and no. I think this country does have deeply embedded regional cuisines. Not all are good. One thing we saw in the last decade was a movement in New York I called something like “new American bistro” which saw places being very successful serving American food (seafood, salads, grills) in settings which would appeal to downtown/Brooklyn crowds. Places like St Anselm, Masten Lake, Runner, The Pines, and so many others, fit or fitted that description. In a way, Roberta’s does (not the back room). So Sutton is just applying the “significance” criterion to a place he suddenly feels politically correct about. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sneakeater Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 13 minutes ago, Wilfrid said: Capital “i” for “it” but not for “in”? Sure. "It" is a pronoun, so capital. "In" is a preposition, so not a capital. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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