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Put those goal posts back.

 

You know where Brooklyn kicks Manhattan's ass? Beer bars - the kind that sell 20 craft beers on tap.

 

I am not talking about bars which are good, not that good, and bad. I am talking about bars with extensive beer lists*, even if the bar is a dump. I have a dollar says Manhattan has many more than Brooklyn.

 

*Sorry, beer menus.

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Although this topic is often discussed here, there isn't a separate thread for it.   As I contemplate trying to have dinnner at Brooklyn Star -- even though chances are I will have to go back to Ma

Well, the great thing about Brooklyn is that it's a far better place to live than Manhattan. And now we don't have to commute to Manhattan in order to eat food that isn't red sauce Italian or pink ta

Put those goal posts back.     I am not talking about bars which are good, not that good, and bad. I am talking about bars with extensive beer lists*, even if the bar is a dump. I have a dol

Its sort of a weird topic. It always seems to me that some of these places have good beer selections but no one is going there for a beer.

 

I agree.

 

Not only that, but their beer selections are sort of by rote "serious beer" lists that some distributor is peddling.

 

Doubtless true. There are only a handful of big distributors in this game, and in fact Bud is a major player. But the outcome may nevertheless be a large number of interesting beers. It must be very rare that a bar curates its beer list by placing individual orders with a range of distributors. Maybe a place like DBGB does that. I suspect even the better specialist bars are using no more than a couple of sources.

 

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But if you looked at the place it seems like pubby sports bar - not a beer bar.

Yeah, that's the thing. I'm not saying that Manhattan doesn't have very good bars but Brooklyn has a disproportionate number of really good craft beer places.

 

Maybe it's the hipsters.

but my point is - it actually is a really good craft beer bar. It just looks like a place the old brothers from Kappa Sig hang out after their days on a trading desk as opposed to where an Oberlin grad goes after a day en flanant. You can't say it isn't a beer bar because there are guys watching the yanks game there.

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Exactly.

 

ETA: I mean I love DBA - although almost more for the booze list - especially since they insist on putting american stuff in the beer engines - but the attitude they have towards bathroom cleanliness ain't gonna fly in 80% of manhattan.

 

And it's not a great place to watch a game. Rightly or wrongly, there's an overlap between sports fans and "craft" beer fans, and that's the overlap many of these Manhattan places are catering to. Rather than to hipsters.

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Put those goal posts back.

 

You know where Brooklyn kicks Manhattan's ass? Beer bars - the kind that sell 20 craft beers on tap.

 

I am not talking about bars which are good, not that good, and bad. I am talking about bars with extensive beer lists*, even if the bar is a dump. I have a dollar says Manhattan has many more than Brooklyn.

 

*Sorry, beer menus.

I've been playing around a bit but my core point remains. It was a riff on Sneak's (and your) original position on the comparison of restaurants in Manhattan and Brooklyn. And there quality certainly was the core point.

 

I usually sign up to the proposition that while there are many good restaurants in Brooklyn, few offer dishes which can't be matched in Manhattan.

 

Brooklyn doesn't have any 3 star restaurants but if the Times awarded stars for beer bars I'll bet Brooklyn would beat Manhattan.

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As you know, when people talk about "Brooklyn" on food boards, they're talking about an area that's much smaller than actual Brooklyn.

 

ETA: When Mayor Bloomberg commented last year that now, when he goes out to dinner with friends, they often suggest that they try eating out in Brooklyn (the point of this thread being that if that is somehow true, they're probably disappointed), they're not talking about Dyker Heights or Georgetown.

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I will chime in for the bars.. Besides just beer bars, there is live music everywhere.. Whether it's some jazz at a restaurant, just some guy on a guitar at the local bar, or multiple bands playing on a night, there is music everywhere in Brooklyn..

 

In terms of destination dining, I dont know really.. I mainly eat ethnic and cheap food out of the house.. I think I am too new to Brookyln to make any judgements. Though, so far, I like every aspect of Brooklyn better than Manhattan.

 

I have lived in Manhattan for 13 years or so and have not had one desire to return for anything.

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I will chime in for the bars.. Besides just beer bars, there is live music everywhere.. Whether it's some jazz at a restaurant, just some guy on a guitar at the local bar, or multiple bands playing on a night, there is music everywhere in Brooklyn..

 

This is a big negative for Brooklyn, I agree. ;)

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I will chime in for the bars.. Besides just beer bars, there is live music everywhere.. Whether it's some jazz at a restaurant, just some guy on a guitar at the local bar, or multiple bands playing on a night, there is music everywhere in Brooklyn..

 

This is a big negative for Brooklyn, I agree. ;)

 

 

To be honest, it is in some cases but, very few.. For instance, Chez Oskar has ok food (Missie K loves there rabbit in mustard sauce) but, when the band is playing, I can't take the inlaws..

 

Le Grand Dakar has wonderful food but, everynow and then, they have these really bad jazz musicians..

 

But overall, I love that I can go to Blues night or jazz night at local bars and still pay 4 bucks a beer.

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Although this topic is often discussed here, there isn't a separate thread for it.

 

As I contemplate trying to have dinnner at Brooklyn Star -- even though chances are I will have to go back to Manhattan to get home from there -- I'd like to post this comment by Wilfrid from the Brooklyn Star thread:

 

I usually sign up to the proposition that while there are many good restaurants in Brooklyn, few offer dishes which can't be matched in Manhattan.

 

I agree with that.

 

Maybe there are people who don't. It would be interesting to hear.

 

I'm assuming this is with reference to mainstream restaurants, not ethnic places (which could include American ethnic, like red-sauce Italian). And, in case it isn't covered by the foregoing limitation: as in any discussion of Brooklyn restaurants, Luger's aside.

 

The exciting thing about dining in Brooklyn over the past 5-8 years is not that there are places with food that cant be found & matched in Manhattan. It's that we dont have to go to Manhattan to get very good food. I really believe that the greatness of "New Brooklyn Cuisine" lies in the fact that Brooklyn is now not only the 5th or 6th largest city population wise, but can now be considered as maybe one of the top 10 or so cities in the country food wise. Manhattan might be #1, but we kick the asses of many large cities.

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