hollywood Posted December 3, 2004 Share Posted December 3, 2004 It's also increasingly apparent that every professional cyclist from Armstrong down uses dope. Are you sure about Armstrong? Do you think he gets a free pass because of the cancer? One of his advisors is Michele Ferrari who is currently on trial for supplying drugs to other cyclists. He has also tested positive for steroids though he claimed it was due to the use of a legal skin cream, an excuse that the relevant bodies accepted. Wow! Do you think Sheryl Crow is using as well? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Daisy Posted December 3, 2004 Share Posted December 3, 2004 That might explain her arms. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mitchells Posted December 3, 2004 Share Posted December 3, 2004 But I don't think jaywalking is a competitive sport. What about a guy like Bonds breaking previous records. Should Bonds home run record count? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mitchells Posted December 3, 2004 Share Posted December 3, 2004 Sure, but should it be? If everyone is doing it, what difference does it make? But what about players that choose not to do it? Aren't they at a disadvantage? Yes, but that's their choice. So players that choose not to cheat and poison their bodies are disadvantaged? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rail Paul Posted December 3, 2004 Share Posted December 3, 2004 But I don't think jaywalking is a competitive sport. What about a guy like Bonds breaking previous records. Should Bonds home run record count? No. Ditto for McGwire, Sosa, Giambi, etc. Guys like Babe Ruth won their medals the old fashioned way, with plenty of scotch and lots of women. Guys like Henry Aaron and Willie Mays did it on personal skill Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scamhi Posted December 3, 2004 Share Posted December 3, 2004 to let you all know...I am not using steroids. well maybe a lttle topical stuff for ezcema Quote Link to post Share on other sites
g.johnson Posted December 3, 2004 Share Posted December 3, 2004 Sure, but should it be? If everyone is doing it, what difference does it make? But what about players that choose not to do it? Aren't they at a disadvantage? Yes, but that's their choice. So players that choose not to cheat and poison their bodies are disadvantaged? How is it any different from offensive linemen overeating to be more effective blockers? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wilfrid1 Posted December 3, 2004 Author Share Posted December 3, 2004 But I don't think jaywalking is a competitive sport. You should have walked through midtown at lunchtime today. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wilfrid1 Posted December 3, 2004 Author Share Posted December 3, 2004 But I don't think jaywalking is a competitive sport. What about a guy like Bonds breaking previous records. Should Bonds home run record count? No. Ditto for McGwire, Sosa, Giambi, etc. Guys like Babe Ruth won their medals the old fashioned way, with plenty of scotch and lots of women. Guys like Henry Aaron and Willie Mays did it on personal skill Should the results of the games in which they played stand? I don't see how history can be rewritten. Of no home run by Giambi can you say, he would not have hit it had he not been on steroids. Ty Cobb, I understand, used all kinds of underhand and violent tactics on the field. What are you going to do about his stats? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mitchells Posted December 3, 2004 Share Posted December 3, 2004 Sure, but should it be? If everyone is doing it, what difference does it make? But what about players that choose not to do it? Aren't they at a disadvantage? Yes, but that's their choice. So players that choose not to cheat and poison their bodies are disadvantaged? How is it any different from offensive linemen overeating to be more effective blockers? The last I heard, food was legal and the substances supposedly used by Giambi and Bonds were distributed illegally. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mitchells Posted December 3, 2004 Share Posted December 3, 2004 Ty Cobb, I understand, used all kinds of underhand and violent tactics on the field. What are you going to do about his stats? Examples please. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
g.johnson Posted December 3, 2004 Share Posted December 3, 2004 Sure, but should it be? If everyone is doing it, what difference does it make? But what about players that choose not to do it? Aren't they at a disadvantage? Yes, but that's their choice. So players that choose not to cheat and poison their bodies are disadvantaged? How is it any different from offensive linemen overeating to be more effective blockers? The last I heard, food was legal and the substances supposedly used by Giambi and Bonds were distributed illegally. So you would approve of the use of steroids if they were prescribed? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wilfrid1 Posted December 3, 2004 Author Share Posted December 3, 2004 Ty Cobb, I understand, used all kinds of underhand and violent tactics on the field. What are you going to do about his stats? Examples please. Pure hearsay. Didn't he used to sharpen his studs to deter attempts to tag him when sliding? Maybe that's legal. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mitchells Posted December 3, 2004 Share Posted December 3, 2004 So you would approve of the use of steroids if they were prescribed? Irrelevant. If what the players are accused of is true, and Giambi admitted it, the players participated in an illegal activity to improve their performance. I think just about anyone would agree that would be cheating, regardless of how many other players may have also done the same thing. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
g.johnson Posted December 3, 2004 Share Posted December 3, 2004 Yes, but my point is that I'm not convinced that doping should be against the rules. It's clearly impossible to enforce, so let them take steroids under medical supervision if that's what they want to do. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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