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Wilfrid Posted October 7, 2013 Author Share Posted October 7, 2013 If I'm not clear, hipster authenticity--meant unironically--doesn't encompass fleecing rich people in the nicely whitewashed backroom of a garage. It means all those wonderful, positive artisanal trends we hear so much about. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Adrian Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 If it a rip-off, They are purporting to sell a cutting-edge gastronomic experience in cool, edgy urban setting. (Taking LiquidNY at face value, and making the further assumption--which might be quite wrong--that his experience was typical): They are actually selling a rip-off disguised with a veneer of hipster authenticity Please note, I don't think they are doing the latter, but it would be a fair accusation if LiquidNY's experience turns out to be typical of Blanca going forward. Yes. Even if it's not a rip-off, they're still selling "hipster authenticity" and they're very credible salesmen. Whoa. If it's not a rip-off, then that's what they're selling, no quote-marks required. If it's a rip-off, they're selling a fraudulent version of it. Be careful how you scatter your quote-marks. Oh, that's interesting. Can't it be "hipster authenticity" even if the food is great and it's a total value? In some ways, the very act of marketing how they do makes it inauthentic, even if it's great. It's the same way you can have a great formal French restaurant that's selling "old world luxury" that's not really, you know, old world luxury. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Adrian Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 If I'm not clear, hipster authenticity--meant unironically--doesn't encompass fleecing rich people in the nicely whitewashed backroom of a garage. It means all those wonderful, positive artisanal trends we hear so much about. Hipster authenticity means esoteric knowledge as means of gaining social status. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Adrian Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 You've stolen it back from the bro! The sleeves are the key! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lex Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 I'll bet Adrian sings a mean version of "Moon River." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flm4xcOyiCo Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Anthony Bonner Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 Adrian and Liquid are Huckleberry Friends. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wilfrid Posted October 7, 2013 Author Share Posted October 7, 2013 Oh, that's interesting. Can't it be "hipster authenticity" even if the food is great and it's a total value? In some ways, the very act of marketing how they do makes it inauthentic, even if it's great. It's the same way you can have a great formal French restaurant that's selling "old world luxury" that's not really, you know, old world luxury. You have completely lost me. Are you sure you followed what I was saying? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wilfrid Posted October 7, 2013 Author Share Posted October 7, 2013 If I'm not clear, hipster authenticity--meant unironically--doesn't encompass fleecing rich people in the nicely whitewashed backroom of a garage. It means all those wonderful, positive artisanal trends we hear so much about. Hipster authenticity means esoteric knowledge as means of gaining social status. I can't tell whether this meant to contradict my post, or be consistent with it. More likely, it's just a parallel comment, but I'm not sure. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wilfrid Posted October 7, 2013 Author Share Posted October 7, 2013 Are you saying hipster authenticity is merely about (somehow) gaining social status? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Adrian Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 Are you saying hipster authenticity is merely about (somehow) gaining social status? It's about how you gain social status (this is one of the nice points in the Greif piece). So a place like Blanca may be a packaged, inauthentic hipster experience even if it's serving really good food, because it's actively transformed something that was authentically hipster - the secret Roberta's tasting menu - and has packaged and slicked itself up to sell to rich Manhattanites. You can't gain hipster credibility from eating at Blanca, while you could gain it from the Roberta's tasting. So whether it's authentic or not is somewhat divorced from whether it's a rip-off. I think that's a parallel point. (oh, and it can still be a rip-off and be authentically hipster. they're distinct things.) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LiquidNY Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 I suppose fleecing the rich is an authentic hipster value. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wilfrid Posted October 7, 2013 Author Share Posted October 7, 2013 (oh, and it can still be a rip-off and be authentically hipster. they're distinct things.) This just signifies that we each mean something different by the phrase. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Robert Brown Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 Authentic hipsterism is loving Charlie Parker. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wilfrid Posted October 7, 2013 Author Share Posted October 7, 2013 Ah, Norman Mailer, where are you now? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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