New york's faddish wine community?

[Adrian]

Aside of interest only to me:

 

This discussion has made me think: why don't I drink more wines from the Jura? So I went to the lcbo site. There are seven Jura wines available in all of Ontario, four of which can be found in toronto, of which there are 111 bottles, none of which are within 30 minutes of my place.

[balex]

Drinking a $300 retail bottle of wine in a restaurant at $1500 a bottle seems wasteful if you bought it on release for $50 and still have some left.

Whereas in London at least a hipster wine like some Cornellisen (is that a hipster wine) costs £40 in Terroirs and about £20 if you can find it at retail.

[SFJoe]

Can anyone recommend a great pinotage?

[Rail Paul]

It's probably because I live in the NYC Fad Bubble, but thought the hegemony of scores was diminishing.

 

You couldn't order a high-score wine with a straight face in most fashionable NYC restaurants (cuz we're faddists).

 

I guess that has little traction outside the Bubble.

 

But look who was invited to the tastings, esp the Per Se event. Wine writers. People who will talk up wines, write about them, create that buzz advertisers, etc prefer.

 

Gary Vaynerchuk took that on a decade ago with his buyer recommends, a technique many stores have followed. Jim Gorman, for example, has a good following for his suggestions in Beaujolais. Rarely among the most expensive bottles, and in my experience usually quite enjoyable. Go around the media.

 

(I recognize that Gary will probably make more money selling a mid-range bottle bought in volume or the grower's entire supply than he will make on a hyped, extremely limited edition.)

[Anthony Bonner]

There are like multiple tracks of the wine world - and once you get locked into one you can forget which is which.

 

I'd guess at the $25 price point and grocery store liquor stores, Points still matter a shit ton. But in the world where people are interested in wine I think it is generally true that point-y wines are no longer ascendent.

[GordonCooks]

Can anyone recommend a great pinotage?

 

My local carries Southern Right which I thought was a fair pick for 18.00 but I can't speak to it's Pinotage-yness comparatively.

[Adrian]

One star review of Perman Wine in Chicago's West Loop (where we picked up bottles for Schwa - smaller producers, lots of natural and biodynamic wines) from Yelp:

 

 

Like everyone else, I stopped in here before Grocery Bistro. It's just ok. The owner was not able to recommend an Bordeaux for a good price without his Mac. I can Google myself .
Go to JUST GRAPE! 4 blocks east!

[Sneakeater]

There are like multiple tracks of the wine world - and once you get locked into one you can forget which is which.

 

I'd guess at the $25 price point and grocery store liquor stores, Points still matter a shit ton. But in the world where people are interested in wine I think it is generally true that point-y wines are no longer ascendent.

Yeah, it's like Steve Cuozzo going all apeshit against lists that most of us here consider just normal stuff we drink. Lots of mutual incomprehension going on.

[Rail Paul]

There are like multiple tracks of the wine world - and once you get locked into one you can forget which is which.

 

I'd guess at the $25 price point and grocery store liquor stores, Points still matter a shit ton. But in the world where people are interested in wine I think it is generally true that point-y wines are no longer ascendent.

 

Definitely true.

 

Some wine stores may be able to select their customers to an extent, but the groceries, general liquor stores, etc have to rely on Parker, Wine Spectator, etc and their points systems.

[Orik]

Aside of interest only to me:

 

This discussion has made me think: why don't I drink more wines from the Jura? So I went to the lcbo site. There are seven Jura wines available in all of Ontario, four of which can be found in toronto, of which there are 111 bottles, none of which are within 30 minutes of my place.

 

This is at the 24 hour mini mart:

 

 

Surely you note Haut-Brion, M. Rothschild, etc. further to the left, Cheval Blanc, etc. are not shown.

 

But to get a bottle of Jura you have to go to some completely offline hipster store, and there are about three bottles of Spanish wine in the entire country.

[Adrian]

Kinda just like my local LCBO! I knew that Tokyo and Toronto were the same from a food and wine perspective. Thanks for saving me the coin.

[Wilfrid]

There are like multiple tracks of the wine world - and once you get locked into one you can forget which is which.

 

I'd guess at the $25 price point and grocery store liquor stores, Points still matter a shit ton. But in the world where people are interested in wine I think it is generally true that point-y wines are no longer ascendent.

 

Surely points are still driving prices, which seems inconsistent with that.

 

Ah, by "interested in wine," you don't mean the general wine market. Never mind.

[Neocon maudit]

Blast. If I lived in Japan, I could have my pick of 2001 Haut-Brion or 2006 Mouton to wash down my curry-in-a-pouch. Does the selection of Burgundies match the clarets at your 24-h shop? [Also, does the shop accept credit cards?]

 

My local convenience store does sell cherry cream soda though.

[Neocon maudit]

I want so badly to rant about the 'hipster' wine milieu, but I'm at work, and I mustn't. Really I mustn't.

[Neocon maudit]

I did not want to know this: 'Le Bernardin’s Austrian sommelier, Aldo Sohm (eating only his second meal ever in the restaurant)...' Is he relatively new?

 

Edited: he's been at Le Bernardin for six years.