Orik Posted May 18, 2005 Share Posted May 18, 2005 Another link. Completely agendaless on my part. Believe it or not. Link I suggest saving this to see where the consensus seeking missile lands in a year or so. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lippy Posted May 18, 2005 Share Posted May 18, 2005 Link I suggest saving this to see where the consensus seeking missile lands in a year or so. I agree, remembering Craft. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GavinJones Posted May 18, 2005 Share Posted May 18, 2005 When alinea finally triumphs I am sure that will be a direct result of the constructive criticism of connoisseurs. It may prove to be the first restaurant in history to owe its stars to the fully committed diner, rather than the chef. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wilfrid1 Posted May 18, 2005 Share Posted May 18, 2005 Link I suggest saving this to see where the consensus seeking missile lands in a year or so. I agree, remembering Craft. I am also reminded of WD-50. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rose Posted May 18, 2005 Share Posted May 18, 2005 When alinea finally triumphs I am sure that will be a direct result of the constructive criticism of connoisseurs. It may prove to be the first restaurant in history to owe its stars to the fully committed diner, rather than the chef. good one Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Melonious Thunk Posted May 18, 2005 Share Posted May 18, 2005 Link I suggest saving this to see where the consensus seeking missile lands in a year or so. I agree, remembering Craft. I am also reminded of WD-50. Well Alinea is a radically different restaurant in its first weeks. We all know how experiences and opinions can change as a restaurant finds its normal level. I recall Café Grey and LCB Brasserie as other cases in point. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wilfrid1 Posted May 18, 2005 Share Posted May 18, 2005 And Grand Central Oyster Bar. I think the point is that, in some of the cases mentioned, it was more the opinions that changed than the restaurants. But we all change our opinions from time to time. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Melonious Thunk Posted May 18, 2005 Share Posted May 18, 2005 And Grand Central Oyster Bar. I think the point is that, in some of the cases mentioned, it was more the opinions that changed than the restaurants. But we all change our opinions from time to time. There is a big difference between sitting at the counter and at a table when eating a pan roast at GCOB. Prior to my last time, I ate 90% of my pan roasts at the counter. But than, look at pastrami and me. we fell out of love about two years ago, and I am going to Katz' on Friday for a Jean Shepherd FanFest so I will give it another try. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wilfrid1 Posted May 18, 2005 Share Posted May 18, 2005 What if you stood at the table? (I was only kidding.) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cabrales Posted May 18, 2005 Author Share Posted May 18, 2005 On opinions changing, at least for some of the six and at least as Melonius described their expectations: "They came to the tables expectings "the best restaurant in the world" and apparently they had dined at Trio before under chefg. That means that their expectations regarding Alinea being the "best restaurant in the world" (a very high expectation, obviously) was based on their amazing experiences at Trio before under chefg. That confirms the level of chefg's cuisine. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
marcus Posted May 18, 2005 Share Posted May 18, 2005 On opinions changing, at least for some of the six and at least as Melonius described their expectations: "They came to the tables expectings "the best restaurant in the world" and apparently they had dined at Trio before under chefg. That means that their expectations regarding Alinea being the "best restaurant in the world" (a very high expectation, obviously) was based on their amazing experiences at Trio before under chefg. That confirms the level of chefg's cuisine. Their meals at Trio were in part amazing and in part significantly flawed. My impression is that based on those meals, they felt that Achatz had great potential, and they expected him to realize that potential at Alinea. The issue is not what he is capable of producing, which is evidently at a very high level, but what he actually does produce, which in the case of the meal described, was quite poor. One must distinguish between potential, expectation and realization. However, "the level of chefg's cuisine" must ultimately be measured based on realization. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
robyn Posted May 19, 2005 Share Posted May 19, 2005 From someone who has posting privledges on all the boards metioned here, but no stake in any of the backroom politics... Are we the only two? By the way - I agree with the rest of your post 100%. Robyn Quote Link to post Share on other sites
monsieurmagoo Posted May 19, 2005 Share Posted May 19, 2005 i may be new here but i was led to believe this board was about food and restaurants. couldn't you guys just work it out via pm? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mongo_jones Posted May 19, 2005 Share Posted May 19, 2005 this site is going to hell in a specially designed, one-of-a-kind handbasket. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ampletuna Posted May 19, 2005 Share Posted May 19, 2005 i have deleted a string of posts (and others which loose context after deletions) that, for the hundredth time, violate the guideline: Mouthfuls prohibits flaming (not only outright abuse but also persistent and systematic personal attacks Can everyone please take any personal issues they have with people to PM, this is not the place to have cat fights with people you don't like. And protest all you like, I am not going to change my mind or answer the same old questions over and over again. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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