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It's reasonable to think there'll be plenty of wannabes at this stage, 30 years after l'Ange Vin, 25 years after Shonzui... who was first in nyc? I think Ten Bells was 2008... but I haven't really noticed an epidemic of them. What are some examples?

 

eta: using exclusively natural wine bars as a marker, of course there were natural wines on lists before that.

I was thinking of Rebelle, Wildair, Contra, that thing opening on the LES, Four Horsemen, Racines, Ruffian, Hemlock...those come to mind immediately but there are others. I suppose a few are not exclusively natural but they're all very much in the natural/biodynamic direction.

 

It's enough of a trend that eater did a list, for example: https://ny.eater.com/maps/natural-wine-bar-nyc

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First place I remember in NYC with an exclusively natural list is 360 in Red Hook, though that was more restaurant than wine bar. That would have been '03/'04.

Great place. Great wines. First place I ever drank Cab Franc as anything other than a blending grape. Very opinionated owner who insisted on telling customers what to drink with dinner & losing it when they went in the wrong direction.

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It's reasonable to think there'll be plenty of wannabes at this stage, 30 years after l'Ange Vin, 25 years after Shonzui... who was first in nyc? I think Ten Bells was 2008... but I haven't really noticed an epidemic of them. What are some examples?

 

eta: using exclusively natural wine bars as a marker, of course there were natural wines on lists before that.

I was thinking of Rebelle, Wildair, Contra, that thing opening on the LES, Four Horsemen, Racines, Ruffian, Hemlock...those come to mind immediately but there are others. I suppose a few are not exclusively natural but they're all very much in the natural/biodynamic direction.

 

It's enough of a trend that eater did a list, for example: https://ny.eater.com/maps/natural-wine-bar-nyc

 

 

And they miss a few, but include some that are a stretch. I don't think a couple of dozen places with natural wine lists (around half of which are legit) opening over several years are reason to complain.

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It's reasonable to think there'll be plenty of wannabes at this stage, 30 years after l'Ange Vin, 25 years after Shonzui... who was first in nyc? I think Ten Bells was 2008... but I haven't really noticed an epidemic of them. What are some examples?

 

eta: using exclusively natural wine bars as a marker, of course there were natural wines on lists before that.

I was thinking of Rebelle, Wildair, Contra, that thing opening on the LES, Four Horsemen, Racines, Ruffian, Hemlock...those come to mind immediately but there are others. I suppose a few are not exclusively natural but they're all very much in the natural/biodynamic direction.

 

It's enough of a trend that eater did a list, for example: https://ny.eater.com/maps/natural-wine-bar-nyc

 

 

And they miss a few, but include some that are a stretch. I don't think a couple of dozen places with natural wine lists (around half of which are legit) opening over several years are reason to complain.

 

 

Old Man Yells at Cloud(y wines): https://nypost.com/2018/04/17/natural-wines-and-forced-sharing-are-ruining-dining-out/

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It's reasonable to think there'll be plenty of wannabes at this stage, 30 years after l'Ange Vin, 25 years after Shonzui... who was first in nyc? I think Ten Bells was 2008... but I haven't really noticed an epidemic of them. What are some examples?

 

eta: using exclusively natural wine bars as a marker, of course there were natural wines on lists before that.

I was thinking of Rebelle, Wildair, Contra, that thing opening on the LES, Four Horsemen, Racines, Ruffian, Hemlock...those come to mind immediately but there are others. I suppose a few are not exclusively natural but they're all very much in the natural/biodynamic direction.

 

It's enough of a trend that eater did a list, for example: https://ny.eater.com/maps/natural-wine-bar-nyc

 

 

And they miss a few, but include some that are a stretch. I don't think a couple of dozen places with natural wine lists (around half of which are legit) opening over several years are reason to complain.

 

I'm not complaining. I like natural wine. Maybe it is not as obvious as you are not living in the city. But amongst somewhat ambitious restaurants that you can eat at day to day (as opposed to the Grill or Le Coucou), the preponderance of them have had a natural wine focus. It's pretty much the constant theme.

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I suspect there's bias here where you simply ignore the other 300+ restaurants that have opened at the same time but that you just don't care about and that tend to have wine lists that are what skurnik (in the food case) need to sell. (OK, you don't ignore them but write them off as "not ambitious")


But anyway, it's obviously a very long standing trend driven by pricing on the back end and selling a story to the front end, like all trends, but the results aren't bad and the alternative is what?

I had some San Roman 2009 the other day, which is a terrific, non controversial, easy to drink without being a fruit bomb bottle. It's also one of the best value wines in the world at around 30 euros with obvious aging potential, but it would be at least $150 on a menu in NYC and nobody would buy it.


p.s. I'm pretty sure I know what's opening in nyc better than most, so that's not a very compelling argument.

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well, prices of well known natural wine producers are certainly up hundreds of %, but unlike offal, there is practically infinite supply here, so input prices are going to have a hard time climbing.

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