Wilfrid Posted July 11, 2019 Share Posted July 11, 2019 We have the Snake Diet thread, but otherwise not much on Keto. Has anyone else tried it? Kind of a more reasoned version of Atkins. Full disclosure, I’ve been on it for six or seven weeks, and it’s been incredibly easy, effective, and also informative about the whole hunger thing. I can readily imagine (and describe) people who wouldn’t find it easy. In code (per Plotnicki) easy for French eaters, hard for Italian. And related to the last point, pretty easy to follow in the kinds of restaurants I like to go to (piece of meat or fish artfully arranged on plate, simple garnish). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Orik Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 Might not be the best for bones and kidneys if you keep at it, but certainly a way to lose weight while eating delicious, expensive things. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Maison Rustique Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 I think that every other person I know is on this diet. I see 99% of them cheat regularly. Doesn't that defeat the purpose of the diet? I mean, I don't believe you can put your body into ketosis if you are cheating on the diet. And isn't ketosis necessary in order for the diet to work? Honestly, I'm not one to follow any diet. What works best for me is to limit consumption of calorie-laden foods (carbs), eat more veggies and lighten up on sauces and desserts. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AaronS Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 daniel posted about trying it somewhere. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Orik Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 I think that every other person I know is on this diet. I see 99% of them cheat regularly. Doesn't that defeat the purpose of the diet? I mean, I don't believe you can put your body into ketosis if you are cheating on the diet. And isn't ketosis necessary in order for the diet to work? Honestly, I'm not one to follow any diet. What works best for me is to limit consumption of calorie-laden foods (carbs), eat more veggies and lighten up on sauces and desserts. The ketosis part is a red herring - it helps create a substantial initial weight loss due to less water being retained, which encourages people to continue. Later on it's about calories, as usual. See for example https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2673150 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wilfrid Posted July 12, 2019 Author Share Posted July 12, 2019 daniel posted about trying it somewhere. Snake Diet thread, but the snake thing is something else. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wilfrid Posted July 12, 2019 Author Share Posted July 12, 2019 I think that every other person I know is on this diet. I see 99% of them cheat regularly. Doesn't that defeat the purpose of the diet? I mean, I don't believe you can put your body into ketosis if you are cheating on the diet. And isn't ketosis necessary in order for the diet to work? Honestly, I'm not one to follow any diet. What works best for me is to limit consumption of calorie-laden foods (carbs), eat more veggies and lighten up on sauces and desserts. The ketosis part is a red herring - it helps create a substantial initial weight loss due to less water being retained, which encourages people to continue. Later on it's about calories, as usual. See for example https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2673150 "There was no significant difference in 12-month weight loss between the healthy low fat and healthy low carb diets..." as a general proposition is one thing. For me, I can't stick to a low fat diet, so there is a difference. (Yes, I have in the past, but it's miserable.) The mechanism for weight loss on keto might indeed be calorie reduction rather than ketosis, but the reduction in calories might be due to reduction in hunger (which for me has been the most dramatic thing about it), which in turn I assume has something to do with blood sugar levels not yo-yoing thanks to carbs. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wilfrid Posted July 12, 2019 Author Share Posted July 12, 2019 Re "cheating," I don't have much temptation to cheat. Again, this is personal. For anyone who regularly includes pasta, pizza, or rice in their diet, let alone desserts, this would be a struggle. It's that French/Italian thing. I'd rather eat pork and a salad, followed by cheese, than a pizza followed by tiramisu. Any day. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Orik Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 I think that every other person I know is on this diet. I see 99% of them cheat regularly. Doesn't that defeat the purpose of the diet? I mean, I don't believe you can put your body into ketosis if you are cheating on the diet. And isn't ketosis necessary in order for the diet to work? Honestly, I'm not one to follow any diet. What works best for me is to limit consumption of calorie-laden foods (carbs), eat more veggies and lighten up on sauces and desserts. The ketosis part is a red herring - it helps create a substantial initial weight loss due to less water being retained, which encourages people to continue. Later on it's about calories, as usual. See for example https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2673150 "There was no significant difference in 12-month weight loss between the healthy low fat and healthy low carb diets..." as a general proposition is one thing. For me, I can't stick to a low fat diet, so there is a difference. (Yes, I have in the past, but it's miserable.) The mechanism for weight loss on keto might indeed be calorie reduction rather than ketosis, but the reduction in calories might be due to reduction in hunger (which for me has been the most dramatic thing about it), which in turn I assume has something to do with blood sugar levels not yo-yoing thanks to carbs. Yes, no doubt if you can more easily stick to the diet then it's a better diet for you. I saw a mouse study where mice offered a keto diet weighed about as much as ones on a low fat diet, but the researchers noted that they seemed happier. Personally I lose weight like a champ doing this, but after a few days (when I assume ketosis kicks in), I develop a very clear sensation of impending doom - apparently a known side effect. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wilfrid Posted July 12, 2019 Author Share Posted July 12, 2019 The so-called "Keto flu" is real, and not much fun, but it was over in three days. Fatigue, aching joints, lack of focus. When I've reached certain targets, my plan is to moderate the diet by reintroducing big fancy sandwiches. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Orik Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 Maybe we should offer chicharrones preparados Quote Link to post Share on other sites
joethefoodie Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 Fatigue, aching joints, lack of focus. I'm not in ketosis, but I've had this for like 40 years. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sneakeater Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 a very clear sensation of impending doom And I've had this for nearly 63. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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Sneakeater Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 Wow. They would be kind of great if they had buns. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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