Behemoth Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 Nothing has worked for me like cutting down carbs. (Hard with kids though…) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
small h Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 52 minutes ago, joethefoodie said: I believe the bunless hamburger has been around for a long time; in the diners of my youth, it was called a steakburger or a chopped steak. Where I'm from, it was a called a diet plate - burger, lettuce, tomato, and a scoop of cottage cheese for some bizarre reason. Like this! https://restaurant-ingthroughhistory.com/2017/03/19/diet-plates/ 52 minutes ago, joethefoodie said: Either that. or one could simply eat a little less, drink a little less, and exercise a little more. I have gone this route and it did not do much - for starters, exercise is a very ineffective tool for weight loss. And I felt deprived. Apparently I need a particular volume of food (and alcohol) to not be surly, and the keto - so far - doesn't leave me feeling physically hungry. The only obstacle is my desire to eat carbs, and I'm hoping I can suppress that for a while. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
voyager Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 33 minutes ago, Behemoth said: Nothing has worked for me like cutting down carbs. (Hard with kids though…) For years I cooked two menus, one for husband and son and something for me. i didn't find it burdensome but rather doing it for ME. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
joethefoodie Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 19 minutes ago, small h said: Where I'm from, it was a called a diet plate - burger, lettuce, tomato, and a scoop of cottage cheese for some bizarre reason. Like this! Exactly. Always with the scoop of cottage cheese (which has like 500 mg of sodium instead). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
joethefoodie Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 21 minutes ago, small h said: for starters, exercise is a very ineffective tool for weight loss. I don't think it's that ineffective for weight loss; combined, of course, with a cutback on calories. The bottom line is weight gets lost by using more calories in a day than one takes in. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
small h Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 10 minutes ago, joethefoodie said: I don't think it's that ineffective for weight loss It doesn't do nothing, but it does a lot less than cutting calories. I'm not going to become a distance runner. At most, I'd do 20:00 of cardio in addition to my yoga and ab work. Except that I HATE cardio. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wilfrid Posted January 9, 2022 Author Share Posted January 9, 2022 5 hours ago, joethefoodie said: I don't think it's that ineffective for weight loss; combined, of course, with a cutback on calories. The bottom line is weight gets lost by using more calories in a day than one takes in. This isn’t news, of course, but millions of people fail at it. I’ve lost weight that way in the past, but for me (YMMV) it requires a drastic cut in calories for a lengthy period, I’m constantly hungry, and when I relent the weight goes back on. Also, as the years pass, the kind of vigorous activity which would make an impact gets harder. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wilfrid Posted January 9, 2022 Author Share Posted January 9, 2022 I agree with Voyager that the craving for carbs goes, although it certainly took more than a few weeks. I found I missed everything at first, but the specific cravings gradually fell away until fresh orange juice and potato chips were the only things I really wanted. What does kick in fast is not being constantly hungry. That was a revelation. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wilfrid Posted January 9, 2022 Author Share Posted January 9, 2022 Small h mentioned alcohol. There are a lot of calories in the alcohol I continued to consume during and after strict Keto but very few carbs. A martini has zero carbs from gin (or vodka if you’re James Bond), trace carbs from dry vermouth. Those calories have not inhibited weight loss. Obviously I drink wine. Beer can be problematic; it kicked me out of ketosis when I was trying to be strict. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
voyager Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 20 minutes ago, Wilfrid said: I agree with Voyager that the craving for carbs goes, although it certainly took more than a few weeks. I found I missed everything at first, but the specific cravings gradually fell away until fresh orange juice and potato chips were the only things I really wanted. What does kick in fast is not being constantly hungry. That was a revelation. I think that, for a woman, the vanity incentive is strong. As in "zipping up a size (name your goal) is my favorite flavor!" Quote Link to post Share on other sites
voyager Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 I really only drink champagne, but do note the small c. A favorite California white sparkling, not the AOC. But as small h says, it does keep me moderately civil. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wilfrid Posted January 9, 2022 Author Share Posted January 9, 2022 8 minutes ago, voyager said: I think that, for a woman, the vanity incentive is strong. As in "zipping up a size (name your goal) is my favorite flavor!" Honestly, the thing which made me try it was trying to buy a new sports jacket and recognizing how big it would have to be to fasten over my embonpoint. We are not immune. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wilfrid Posted January 9, 2022 Author Share Posted January 9, 2022 I’ve still got the jacket I bought. I will post a photo at some point. Illustrates as well as anything how much weight I lost. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
voyager Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 The thing that prompted my last endeavor was taking over the volunteer chairmanship of a charity thrift shop. Daily encounters with extraordinarily expensive often worn once donated couture in size zilch. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
small h Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 29 minutes ago, Wilfrid said: Obviously I drink wine. Beer can be problematic; it kicked me out of ketosis when I was trying to be strict. I have sworn off beer for the time being. It should not be a problem. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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