Sneakeater Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 I'm leafing through Hugo Ensslin's foundational Recipes for Mixed Drinks from 1916. First, note the title. Not Recipes for Cocktails. Recipes for Mixed Drinks. Then, Ensslin goes on to devote separate sections to "Cocktails", "Daisies", "Flips", "Highballs", "Sours", and other categories. So clearly to Ensslin in 1916, Highballs weren't cocktails. But neither were Daisies, Sours, and Flips (and many other kinds of mixed drinks). Now, and for as long as I've been drinking, no one would deny that a Whiskey Sour or a Margarita or a Brandy Flip is a cocktail. All the categories but Highballs have unquestionably been subsumed into "Cocktails". They still exist as categories -- but they are subcategories of "Cocktails". I think the same has to be true of HIghballs. There was a time when they were considered separate from cocktails. But now, they must be a subcategory. There is no reason that anyone has articulated to treat them separately. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wilfrid Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 But what does he class as cocktails that makes them different from all the other categories? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
small h Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 Still confused. 2+ ingredients = cocktail? Highball may or may not include soda? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
voyager Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 Question, what cooling cocktail do you serve pre-supper on a scorching hot night? We are stuck with sparkling wine, Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Evelyn Posted June 22 Author Share Posted June 22 There's always a champagne cocktail. Or how about a gin or vodka collins? Light and refreshing at the same time. I garnish either with mint, rather than the old school orange slice and cherry. Or, a mojito. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sneakeater Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 Southside. Tom Collins. Gin & Tonic. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bloviatrix Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 Badminton Cup 1 ounce freshly squeezed lime juice 1 ounce simple syrup 2 ounces gin 4 or 5 slices cucumber 5 mint leaves Club soda, to top Mint sprig Muddle cucumber and mint. Add lime juice, simply syrup, & gin and shake well over ice. Strain into a Collins glass, as seltzer to top. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bloviatrix Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 Gin Gin Mule also works. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
StephanieL Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 Last night, I just threw together Lillet Blanc, soda water, and ice. Worked for me. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sneakeater Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 On 6/11/2022 at 12:00 AM, Wilfrid said: But what does he class as cocktails that makes them different from all the other categories? This key question turned out to be so hard to answer that, after two weeks (I HAVE NO LIFE), I'm just gonna throw up my hands and hand it to you all. Most of Ensslin's non-"Cocktail" categories are specific styles that make sense in themselves. A Flip is a Flip, a Highball is a Highball, a Daisy is a Daisy, a Sour is a Sour, a Punch is a Punch, a Smash is a Smash, and so on. The definitions employed for these categories may have changed from Ensslin's time to ours (and we now consider almost all if not all of them to be subcategories of "Cocktails"), but it's easy to see what his requirements are for each. So it would all make sense if you could then say that Ensslin must categorize as a "Cocktail" any mixed alcoholic drink that doesn't fit into one of the specific categories. But no. The last section of the book is entitled "Miscellaneous Mixed Drinks". So what keeps them out of the "Cocktail" section? After two weeks' thought, I can't tell. Here are a few of each, not quite chosen at random. See if you can figure out what differentiates a "Cocktail" from a "Miscellaneous". COCKTAILS Humpty Dumpty Cocktail 1/3 Maraschino 2/3 French Vermouth Shake well in a mixing glass with cracked ice, strain and serve. Liebfraumilch Cocktail 1 jigger Creme de Cacao 1 jigger Cream Juice of 1 Lime Shake well in a mixing glass with cracked ice, strain and serve. Harvard Cocktail 1 drink of Brandy 2 dashes Boker Bitters Shake well in a mixing glass with cracked ice, strain and serve with a twist of lemon peel on top. Leap Frog Cube of Ice Juice of 1/2 Lemon 1 jigger El Bart Gin Split of Ginger Ale Use Collins glass MISCELLANEOUS MIXED DRINKS After Dinner Special 1/2 Apricot Brandy 1/2 Curacao Juice and rind of 1 Lime Shake well in a mixing glass with cracked ice, strain into a cocktail glass, and serve. Lone Heart 1/2 pony Maraschino 1/2 pony Crème Yvette Top with Cream Use Collins glass Mamie Taylor 1 drink Scotch Whiskey or Apple Jack Juice of 2 Limes Cube of Ice Fill up with Ginger Ale Use Collins glass Wilson DIstilling Company Special 1 drink El Bart Gin 2 dashes French Vermouth 2 slices Blood Orange Shake well in a mixing glass with cracked ice, strain into Whiskey glass and serve. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
joethefoodie Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 Whole lotta shaking’ goin’ on… Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wilfrid Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 It’s too obvious, but most of those don’t have a liquor base and when they do they have no more than one accenting ingredient, obviously not counting fruit or cream or yogurt if there is yogurt. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wilfrid Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 I meant the Miscellaneous but I see no cocktails there. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sneakeater Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 Harvard Cocktail? Humpty Dumpty Cocktail? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sneakeater Posted June 27 Share Posted June 27 On 6/24/2022 at 10:50 PM, Wilfrid said: It’s too obvious, but most of those don’t have a liquor base and when they do they have no more than one accenting ingredient, obviously not counting fruit or cream or yogurt if there is yogurt. Right, but did you look at the Ensslin "Cocktails" I listed? Your definition would exclude at least a couple that he included. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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