small h Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 Musical genius and complicated guy, at 81. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/17/arts/music/phil-spector-dead.html?action=click&module=Top Stories&pgtype=Homepage Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wilfrid Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 Yes and yes. Reminded of one of my favorite Dee Dee Ramone stories. When Spector was producing the band he thought it was a good idea to pull out a gun and wave it around. Dee responded by pulling out a knife and had to be restrained before he did Spector some harm. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sneakeater Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 Maybe a little TOO complicated in the end. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wilfrid Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 Way too complicated. This is a hard one. An honored MF member tweeted that praising him is like praising Charles Manson for playing good guitar. But no, this is a major, hugely influential talent. Also a murderer. I don’t have precedents, although there must be some. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sneakeater Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 Carlo Gesualdo? (It's easy to let the murderer part pass when it was 400 years ago.) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
small h Posted January 18 Author Share Posted January 18 Leni Reifenstahl. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wilfrid Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 Well no, Ezra Pound? A murderer. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sneakeater Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 Carlo Gesualdo was a murderer. And certainly no less important in the scheme of things than Phil Spector. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
joethefoodie Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 Sid Vicious. Jim Gordon. Two murderers - and better musicians (well, I guess with Sid, that's up for debate) than Manson. But more influential. Unless the influence is influencing other people to kill people. In which case, Charlie for the win. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sneakeater Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 Gordon (should have) had a mental health defense, though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sneakeater Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 Anyway, I can’t speak for Wilf, but to me those guys are just players. They’re not major artists at the Spector level. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sneakeater Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 To be clearer, Hal Blaine, a great great drummer — better than Jim Gordon — played on most of Spector’s great records. But nobody’s gonna claim he was a major artist like Spector was. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sneakeater Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 [OOPS DOUBLE POST] Quote Link to post Share on other sites
joethefoodie Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 Joe Meek. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sneakeater Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 The only way in which Meek anticipated rather than followed Spector. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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