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Also, FWIW, I don't think the Manson analogy holds here.  It's not like Manson was a major artist who also murdered someone.  Manson was a murderer who had also made puny stabs at making music.  Except for that one Beach Boys track, almost no one has heard any of Manson's music, and no one would even have heard of him if he weren't a famous murderer.  So the issue of whether we have to forget about his tremendously valuable art because he also killed somebod(ies) never comes up.  Contrast that with Phil Spector (or Carlo Gesualdo).

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39 minutes ago, Sneakeater said:

It's not like Manson was a major artist who also murdered someone.  Manson was a murderer who had also made puny stabs at making music. 

The murders were the art. 

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did althusser play the guitar? anyway, mental health defense there too.

there must be a way to thread the needle between acknowledging spector's massive contribution to popular music of the rock and roll era and acknowledging that he was an abusive and dangerous man well before he committed murder. but i've not yet come across a piece that manages it. jack hamilton's piece on slate seemed like it might do it but he seemed to forget about the abuse and the murder once he began to enthuse about the musical innovations.

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8 hours ago, Sneakeater said:

The only way in which Meek anticipated rather than followed Spector. 

You just don't wanna give Meek credit for his musical contributions because he killed himself, rather than die in jail. Of Covid!

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