hollywood Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 Somewhere Jack Nitzsche finds a place in here. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sneakeater Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 HE didn't murder anybody. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sneakeater Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 Also, FWIW, I don't think the Manson analogy holds here. It's not like Manson was a major artist who also murdered someone. Manson was a murderer who had also made puny stabs at making music. Except for that one Beach Boys track, almost no one has heard any of Manson's music, and no one would even have heard of him if he weren't a famous murderer. So the issue of whether we have to forget about his tremendously valuable art because he also killed somebod(ies) never comes up. Contrast that with Phil Spector (or Carlo Gesualdo). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sneakeater Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 You never hear people agonizing over whether they can still honor Hitler's contributions to painting. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sneakeater Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 WAIT WAIT we have a winner: Caravaggio! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Orik Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 39 minutes ago, Sneakeater said: It's not like Manson was a major artist who also murdered someone. Manson was a murderer who had also made puny stabs at making music. The murders were the art. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mongo_jones Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 did althusser play the guitar? anyway, mental health defense there too. there must be a way to thread the needle between acknowledging spector's massive contribution to popular music of the rock and roll era and acknowledging that he was an abusive and dangerous man well before he committed murder. but i've not yet come across a piece that manages it. jack hamilton's piece on slate seemed like it might do it but he seemed to forget about the abuse and the murder once he began to enthuse about the musical innovations. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mongo_jones Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 the closest analogy is probably roman polanski or woody allen. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sneakeater Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 26 minutes ago, mongo_jones said: jack hamilton's piece on slate seemed like it might do it but he seemed to forget about the abuse and the murder once he began to enthuse about the musical innovations. That was exactly what I thought! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sneakeater Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 You hardly even HEAR that Caravaggio was a murderer. I certainly didn't remember it until I saw a reference to it today. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sneakeater Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 In a piece that isn't irrelevant here: https://www.therestisnoise.com/2011/12/gesualdo.html Quote Link to post Share on other sites
joethefoodie Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 2 hours ago, Orik said: The murders were the art. But he used his assistants. So the art really has to be attributed to the school of Manson. How Woody Allen fits into this is beyond me. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
joethefoodie Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 8 hours ago, Sneakeater said: The only way in which Meek anticipated rather than followed Spector. You just don't wanna give Meek credit for his musical contributions because he killed himself, rather than die in jail. Of Covid! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Orik Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 4 minutes ago, joethefoodie said: But he used his assistants. And Damien Hirst is chopped liver? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
joethefoodie Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 6 minutes ago, Orik said: And Damien Hirst is chopped liver? The price of formaldehyde was probably too high for the manson crew! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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