Sneakeater Posted September 14, 2023 Share Posted September 14, 2023 See, I thought A Bigger Bang was actually good. But I'm a sucker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
backyardchef Posted September 14, 2023 Share Posted September 14, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Sneakeater said: But I'm a sucker. I wouldn't say that. But also worth noting that A Bigger Bang is nearly 20 years old. Edited September 15, 2023 by backyardchef Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sneakeater Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 (edited) The fact that a record that came out in the 21st Century -- and not at the very beginning, either -- is nearly 20 years old has implications that are so depressing to me that I can barely contemplate them. Edited September 19, 2023 by Sneakeater 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MitchW Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 You know what's great about the record? You don't have to buy it. Or listen to it. Or view the videos. I wonder if someone held a gun to Sydney's head to be in the video? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
backyardchef Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 2 hours ago, MitchW said: You know what's great about the record? You don't have to buy it. Or listen to it. I guess, surprisingly, there is something nice one could say about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sneakeater Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 The thing is, if you're a White American Guy in his '60s or '70s, you kind of DO have to watch the video. I mean, I'm not gonna watch the video for the first single from the first Stones album of new material since 2005? Not bloody likely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sneakeater Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 Guess what? I'm gonna play the album, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sneakeater Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 Seriously, that's like saying you can't say you thought a movie was terrible in a way that pissed you off cuz you didn't have to go. (Or, being on-Board-topic, a restaurant.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilfrid Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 I would not have bothered to watch the video had I not come across the comments here. I don't expect the Stones to have much to offer at this point. They were great at Earl's Court in 1976 (and I was at an age where having sweaty teenage girls crawl over me to get to Jagger was a delight. Come to think of it, I might still be that age). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sneakeater Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 17 minutes ago, Wilfrid said: (Come to think of it, I might still be that age). THAT'S the entire purpose of the video. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MitchW Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 4 hours ago, Sneakeater said: The thing is, if you're a White American Guy in his '60s or '70s, you kind of DO have to watch the video. I mean, I'm not gonna watch the video for the first single from the first Stones album of new material since 2005? Not bloody likely. That's not their problem; that's your's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sneakeater Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 (edited) You mean like it's not a restaurant's problem if the service is terrible but YOUR problem because you decided to go there? Edited September 15, 2023 by Sneakeater Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sneakeater Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 (edited) Let do a better one. Let's say the Frenchette guys open another restaurant. But, although it charges Frenchette/Le Rock prices, it's no better, in terms of ingredients, execution, and service, than the NYC Le Relais de Venise L'Entrecôte was -- and instead of looking like a cafeteria as Relais did, it looks like a very cheesy overdecorated Vegas dining room. I'm a fan of the Frenchette guys -- even though I don't think Le Rock is worth a trip, it doesn't miss in a way that pisses me off -- so I'm gonna feel like I want to try the new place, right? So it's MY fault, when I go there, that it turns out to be a cynical cash grab? And I can't complain about it cuz it was MY CHOICE to go there? Edited September 15, 2023 by Sneakeater Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
voyager Posted September 16, 2023 Share Posted September 16, 2023 3 hours ago, MitchW said: That's not their problem; that's your's. Yeh, kind of. We collective consumers underwrite kitchens’ and artists’ performance levels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sneakeater Posted September 16, 2023 Share Posted September 16, 2023 So there's no such thing as criticism? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sneakeater Posted September 16, 2023 Share Posted September 16, 2023 I guess now, there really isn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
voyager Posted September 16, 2023 Share Posted September 16, 2023 Of course there us. But the pocketbook trumps it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MitchW Posted September 16, 2023 Share Posted September 16, 2023 13 hours ago, Sneakeater said: Let do a better one. Let's say the Frenchette guys open another restaurant. But, although it charges Frenchette/Le Rock prices, it's no better, in terms of ingredients, execution, and service, than the NYC Le Relais de Venise L'Entrecôte was -- and instead of looking like a cafeteria as Relais did, it looks like a very cheesy overdecorated Vegas dining room. I'm a fan of the Frenchette guys -- even though I don't think Le Rock is worth a trip, it doesn't miss in a way that pisses me off -- so I'm gonna feel like I want to try the new place, right? So it's MY fault, when I go there, that it turns out to be a cynical cash grab? And I can't complain about it cuz it was MY CHOICE to go there? How much have you spent, other than the 4 or 5 minutes (and the ensuing hours posting about it here) to watch it, for the new Stones' song? Cynical cash grab? How much of your cash have they grabbed? Now - if you're gonna buy the album, after how much you loathe the first song/video you've heard/seen from it, that's on you. Now let's say Wells writes a review about the Frenchette guys' hypothetical new restaurant, before you've been. Let's additionally say he writes: "Anyone, especially @Sneakeater, would be an idiot to spend money here." But because you are "a fan of the Frenchette guys" you go, and hate it. That's on you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sneakeater Posted September 16, 2023 Share Posted September 16, 2023 It's not the cash. The video was free, obvs. But if they're making art, I get to criticize it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sneakeater Posted September 16, 2023 Share Posted September 16, 2023 (edited) Are you saying that if I take a book out of the library, I don't have the right to form a judgment of it because it didn't cost me anything? Edited September 16, 2023 by Sneakeater Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sneakeater Posted September 16, 2023 Share Posted September 16, 2023 BTW, this two-part essay by my fellow Commie Arts Writer Ben Davis, while only barely pertinent here if at all, is well worth reading: https://news.artnet.com/opinion/sean-tatol-negative-reviews-part-1-2353302 https://news.artnet.com/opinion/sean-tatol-negative-criticism-part-2-2353305 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
backyardchef Posted September 16, 2023 Share Posted September 16, 2023 This discussion makes me even more glad to not have seen the video. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MitchW Posted September 16, 2023 Share Posted September 16, 2023 1 hour ago, Sneakeater said: It's not the cash. The video was free, obvs. But if they're making art, I get to criticize it. You're the one who said: 19 hours ago, Sneakeater said: cynical cash grab Criticize away. But maybe stop complaining? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
small h Posted September 16, 2023 Share Posted September 16, 2023 49 minutes ago, backyardchef said: This discussion makes me even more glad to not have seen the video. Just watch Whitesnake's Here I Go Again, which is the same thing, practically, only better. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sneakeater Posted September 16, 2023 Share Posted September 16, 2023 1 hour ago, backyardchef said: This discussion makes me even more glad to not have seen the video. I double dare you not to watch this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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