What are you listening to

[Sneakeater]

See, I thought A Bigger Bang was actually good.

But I'm a sucker.

[backyardchef]

1 hour ago, Sneakeater said:

But I'm a sucker.

I wouldn't say that. But also worth noting that A Bigger Bang is nearly 20 years old. 

Edited September 15, 2023 by backyardchef

[Sneakeater]

The fact that a record that came out in the 21st Century -- and not at the very beginning, either -- is nearly 20 years old has implications that are so depressing to me that I can barely contemplate them.

Edited September 19, 2023 by Sneakeater

[MitchW]

You know what's great about the record?

You don't have to buy it. Or listen to it. Or view the videos.  I wonder if someone held a gun to Sydney's head to be in the video?

[backyardchef]

2 hours ago, MitchW said:

You know what's great about the record?

You don't have to buy it. Or listen to it.

I guess, surprisingly, there is something nice one could say about it. 

[Sneakeater]

The thing is, if you're a White American Guy in his '60s or '70s, you kind of DO have to watch the video.

I mean, I'm not gonna watch the video for the first single from the first Stones album of new material since 2005?  Not bloody likely.

[Sneakeater]

Guess what?  I'm gonna play the album, too.

[Sneakeater]

Seriously, that's like saying you can't say you thought a movie was terrible in a way that pissed you off cuz you didn't have to go.  (Or, being on-Board-topic, a restaurant.)

[Wilfrid]

I would not have bothered to watch the video had I not come across the comments here. I don't expect the Stones to have much to offer at this point. They were great at Earl's Court in 1976 (and I was at an age where having sweaty teenage girls crawl over me to get to Jagger was a delight. Come to think of it, I might still be that age).

[Sneakeater]

17 minutes ago, Wilfrid said:

(Come to think of it, I might still be that age).

THAT'S the entire purpose of the video.

[MitchW]

4 hours ago, Sneakeater said:

The thing is, if you're a White American Guy in his '60s or '70s, you kind of DO have to watch the video.

I mean, I'm not gonna watch the video for the first single from the first Stones album of new material since 2005?  Not bloody likely.

That's not their problem; that's your's.

[Sneakeater]

You mean like it's not a restaurant's problem if the service is terrible but YOUR problem because you decided to go there?

Edited September 15, 2023 by Sneakeater

[Sneakeater]

Let do a better one.  Let's say the Frenchette guys open another restaurant.  But, although it charges Frenchette/Le Rock prices, it's no better, in terms of ingredients, execution, and service, than the NYC Le Relais de Venise L'Entrecôte was -- and instead of looking like a cafeteria as Relais did, it looks like a very cheesy overdecorated Vegas dining room.  I'm a fan of the Frenchette guys -- even though I don't think Le Rock is worth a trip, it doesn't miss in a way that pisses me off -- so I'm gonna feel like I want to try the new place, right?  So it's MY fault, when I go there, that it turns out to be a cynical cash grab?  And I can't complain about it cuz it was MY CHOICE to go there?

Edited September 15, 2023 by Sneakeater

[voyager]

3 hours ago, MitchW said:

That's not their problem; that's your's.

Yeh, kind of.   We collective consumers underwrite kitchens’ and artists’ performance levels.

[Sneakeater]

So there's no such thing as criticism?

[Sneakeater]

I guess now, there really isn't.

[voyager]

Of course there us.   But the pocketbook trumps it.

[MitchW]

13 hours ago, Sneakeater said:

Let do a better one.  Let's say the Frenchette guys open another restaurant.  But, although it charges Frenchette/Le Rock prices, it's no better, in terms of ingredients, execution, and service, than the NYC Le Relais de Venise L'Entrecôte was -- and instead of looking like a cafeteria as Relais did, it looks like a very cheesy overdecorated Vegas dining room.  I'm a fan of the Frenchette guys -- even though I don't think Le Rock is worth a trip, it doesn't miss in a way that pisses me off -- so I'm gonna feel like I want to try the new place, right?  So it's MY fault, when I go there, that it turns out to be a cynical cash grab?  And I can't complain about it cuz it was MY CHOICE to go there?

How much have you spent, other than the 4 or 5 minutes (and the ensuing hours posting about it here) to watch it, for the new Stones' song? Cynical cash grab? How much of your cash have they grabbed?

Now - if you're gonna buy the album, after how much you loathe the first song/video you've heard/seen from it, that's on you.

Now let's say Wells writes a review about the Frenchette guys' hypothetical new restaurant, before you've been.  Let's additionally say he writes:  "Anyone, especially @Sneakeater, would be an idiot to spend money here."  But because you are "a fan of the Frenchette guys"  you go,  and hate it. That's on you.

[Sneakeater]

It's not the cash.  The video was free, obvs.

But if they're making art, I get to criticize it.

[Sneakeater]

Are you saying that if I take a book out of the library, I don't have the right to form a judgment of it because it didn't cost me anything?

Edited September 16, 2023 by Sneakeater

[Sneakeater]

BTW, this two-part essay by my fellow Commie Arts Writer Ben Davis, while only barely pertinent here if at all, is well worth reading:

https://news.artnet.com/opinion/sean-tatol-negative-reviews-part-1-2353302

https://news.artnet.com/opinion/sean-tatol-negative-criticism-part-2-2353305

[backyardchef]

This discussion makes me even more glad to not have seen the video. 

 

[MitchW]

1 hour ago, Sneakeater said:

It's not the cash.  The video was free, obvs.

But if they're making art, I get to criticize it.

You're the one who said:

19 hours ago, Sneakeater said:

cynical cash grab

Criticize away. But maybe stop complaining?

[small h]

49 minutes ago, backyardchef said:

This discussion makes me even more glad to not have seen the video. 

Just watch Whitesnake's Here I Go Again, which is the same thing, practically, only better.

[Sneakeater]

1 hour ago, backyardchef said:

This discussion makes me even more glad to not have seen the video. 

 

I double dare you not to watch this.