Sneakeater Posted September 16 Share Posted September 16 55 minutes ago, MitchW said: You're the one who said: Criticize away. But maybe stop complaining? Not sure where complaining stops and criticism begins? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
small h Posted September 16 Share Posted September 16 Criticism: This is bad. Complaining: This is bad, and I don't like it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilfrid Posted September 16 Share Posted September 16 I think I can help here. Mitch might be saying either of the two following things (or he might not be distinguishing between them). 1. If you know something is going to be bad but you spend time and/or money on it anyway, then you should not complain about the waste of time and/or money. 2. If you know something is going to be bad but you spend time and/or money on it anyway, then you should not criticize it afterwards. The first is "complaining," the second is "criticizing." If Mitch is saying 1, he has a point. If he is saying 2, then I would disagree. I can think of many occasions, including restaurants, where I have embarked on something I expected to be bad. I shouldn't complain about the waste of time and/or money but I am entitled to tell people how bad it was. (I did realize, when I was going to restaurants for the Pink Pig that I expected to be bad, that it was not a good idea to tell my dinner guest "This is going to be dreadful.") 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MitchW Posted September 16 Share Posted September 16 At this point, I wish I knew what I was saying. Tell me this, though. Had you first listened to the song in question, over your speakers on your system sans video (I'm going under the assumption that the video was seen on a computer screen), like the way you used to critically review music, what would you think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MitchW Posted September 16 Share Posted September 16 Actually, the question above was for @Sneakeater. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sneakeater Posted September 16 Share Posted September 16 (edited) I would have said the song is lyrically empty -- these are the guys who wrote "Get Off of My Cloud" and "Sympathy for the Devil"? -- but I like the guitar a lot. And the production style seems very on-point. But everything that's offensive about the video has zero to do with the song. Which is actually part of what's offensive about it: the video has zero to do with the song. Edited September 16 by Sneakeater Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sneakeater Posted September 16 Share Posted September 16 To be clear, I'm complaining about the video, not the song. The song is fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sneakeater Posted September 16 Share Posted September 16 (edited) Also to be clear -- cuz I wasn't -- I "complained" that the hypothetical new Frenchette restaurant was a cash grab, not the Stones video. The Stones video is a promotional tool; nobody's expected to pay anything for it. Instead of being a cash grab, I'd say it's a desperation move. I knew it was unclear to insert that "cash grab" language into the Frenchette hypo when I wrote it! The song is still fine (albeit lyrically empty). I'd be happy to hear it on AM radio -- if there still were such a thing. Edited September 19 by Sneakeater Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilfrid Posted September 17 Share Posted September 17 1 hour ago, Sneakeater said: To be clear, I'm complaining about the video, not the song. The song is fine. No, you’re criticizing the video. Complaining would be asking for your money back. Happy to have cleared all this up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sneakeater Posted September 17 Share Posted September 17 Thank you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AaronS Posted September 17 Share Posted September 17 link doesn’t work Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
backyardchef Posted September 18 Share Posted September 18 The song and riff are uninspired and for a song about anger to be so limp should be illegal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
backyardchef Posted September 18 Share Posted September 18 On 9/16/2023 at 3:36 PM, Sneakeater said: I double dare you not to watch this. I am at work and afraid to click play. 😜 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sneakeater Posted September 18 Share Posted September 18 1 hour ago, backyardchef said: The song and riff are uninspired and for a song about anger to be so limp should be illegal. Hey it's not a song about being angry. It's a song about NOT being angry. If this were 1969, I'd think they did that on purpose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
backyardchef Posted September 18 Share Posted September 18 36 minutes ago, Sneakeater said: Hey it's not a song about being angry. It's a song about NOT being angry. So, we're back to the whole complaint/criticism debate..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
backyardchef Posted September 20 Share Posted September 20 Louvin Brothers, Grand Ole Opry Legends, Old King Records 2023 Beautiful edition Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilfrid Posted September 21 Share Posted September 21 Dexy's played a big part in my life many years ago, so I always consume what the completely nutty, inconsistent, often infuriating Kevin Rowland produces. Which this year means "The Feminine Divine," a kind of concept album based around the idea that women should be valued (okay), primarily by being regarded as sexually-charged, imperious goddesses (hmmm). It's like, let's worship the matriarchy for a change while still having the hots for it. Completely nutty, like I said. But as so often, a number of the tracks -- not all of them -- have that glorious, sweeping brass-and-strings-driven musicality that represent Dexy's at their best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilfrid Posted September 21 Share Posted September 21 2 minutes ago, Wilfrid said: Dexy's played a big part in my life many years ago, so I always consume what the completely nutty, inconsistent, often infuriating Kevin Rowland produces. Which this year means "The Feminine Divine," a kind of concept album based around the idea that women should be valued (okay), primarily by being regarded as sexually-charged, imperious goddesses (hmmm). It's like, let's worship the matriarchy for a change while still having the hots for it. Completely nutty, like I said. But as so often, a number of the tracks -- not all of them -- have that glorious, sweeping brass-and-strings-driven musicality that represent Dexy's at their best. Aha, Jimmy Paterson from the original Dexy's was involved in the writing, and one of the best tracks he wrote with Rowland back in the 90s. Explains a lot. BTW, "It's Alright, Kevin" will make you want to hide behind the armchair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilfrid Posted September 24 Share Posted September 24 I was looking for any content from the new Hinds line up and instead I found Ana and Carlotta trying to crank something out 9 years ago. First stirrings of what has become the best (active, live) pop group in the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilfrid Posted September 24 Share Posted September 24 Other good news, a sensible YouTube search for Hinds band with a recent filter produces plenty of clips of the new line-up live. A good reason to stay up all night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilfrid Posted September 30 Share Posted September 30 In important news, looks like Hinds are now a five piece. They added a guitarist. Not sure why or how that will change the sound. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sneakeater Posted October 11 Share Posted October 11 I was just listening to Tony Bennett/Lady Gaga duets, and you know what? Lady Gaga is Really Fucking Great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sneakeater Posted October 20 Share Posted October 20 I just got a promotional press release about the new Stones album in my email. It contains this sentence: Quote Critics are already saying it’s their best album in decades. Need I say it? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sneakeater Posted October 28 Share Posted October 28 Pop 2023 is lucky that Lady Gaga is willing to share her sheer awesomeness with us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitchell101 Posted October 28 Author Share Posted October 28 Check out her video with U2 in Las Vegas Wednesday night….. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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