Eleven Madison Park

[Sneakeater]

I mean it’s not like they dropped the portion of the price that represented the service charge.  You’re still paying the same -- but not getting all you were told you'd get. 

[rozrapp]

3 minutes ago, Sneakeater said:

I guess if they sent everyone with a January reservation an email telling them of the change and giving them an easy way to cancel, it wouldn't be THAT bad.

I wonder if they did?  I'll be so.

It doesn’t go into effect until February 3rd. So the charge for January diners is still tip included. It’s the February diners who have already booked who will be adversely affected by the change.

 

[Sneakeater]

23 hours ago, Sneakeater said:

I mean it’s not like they dropped the portion of the price that represented the service charge.  You’re still paying the same -- but not getting all you were told you'd get. 

It's no different than if you prepaid for a seven-course tasting menu dinner on Tock, but when you got there they gave you only four courses, without increasing the portion size.

[Sneakeater]

Also, for the record, I have a feeling that Orik, unlike me, isn't passing judgment on EMP.  I think he's only noting their cleverness in gaming Tock.

[rozrapp]

I took a quick look at Tock. February is not fully booked. Out of curiosity, I’m going to keep an eye on reservations going forward to see if this change will have any effect on bookings.

P.S. I would love to know what precipitated this change. In the past, I would have been able to find out. Unfortunately, now, there is nobody I can ask.

[Sneakeater]

It's obvious.  What precipitated the change was their need/desire to make more money.

[Orik]

6 minutes ago, Sneakeater said:

Also, for the record, I have a feeling that Orik, unlike me, isn't passing judgment on EMP.  I think he's only noting their cleverness in gaming Tock.

Oh, I'm certainly passing judgement on them. First the meat room, now this... 

[Sneakeater]

2 minutes ago, Sneakeater said:

It's obvious.  What precipitated the change was their need/desire to make more money.

This is a price increase.  No more, no less.

[Wilfrid]

5 hours ago, Sneakeater said:

Tipping isn't a reward for good service.  It's the way these people get paid, since the restaurant is permitted to pay tipped employees below minimum -- and even at places that pay above minimum, salary is set with the expectation of tips.  (Which makes you curious how EMP's compensation arrangements changed after reintroduction of tipping.)

It's really a disgusting system.

Of course. It’s so easy to forget that because of the language in which it’s garbed. Like the “convenience” charge when you buy a ticket online. WTF?

[Wilfrid]

3 hours ago, Orik said:

Oh, I'm certainly passing judgement on them. First the meat room, now this... 

Yes.

[Sneakeater]

Yeah whose convenience exactly are they talking about?

[Orik]

Once you learn what the fees are used for you might feel a slight discomfort. 

[sweatshorts]

I had a long conversation with some friends on this topic a couple weeks ago, during which we determined that almost always, if you follow the money trail high enough, you can find someone horrible profiting from everything you do (and Anschutz himself is a big reason -- concerts and sports). It kinda sucks.

[joethefoodie]

1 hour ago, sweatshorts said:

you can find someone horrible profiting from everything you do (and Anschutz himself is a big reason -- concerts and sports). It kinda sucks.

Right - they're horrible people, and it kinda sucks, and they help with the money for the building of hospitals, universities, concert halls, wings of museums, etc.;  basically, the price they pay for being so horrible.

[Sneakeater]

Some do.  Some don’t.