Rolling Stone

[splinky]

he's always been a charmer

[Sneakeater]

That interview pissed me off more than the new Stones video.

[Sneakeater]

They'd love him in Malba.

[Wilfrid]

Always a fool outside of his business acumen. Histories of the magazine tell the story. The new fools are the people who would publish this. 

[MitchW]

4 minutes ago, Wilfrid said:

The new fools are the people who would publish this. 

Isn't it news?

[MitchW]

13 minutes ago, Sneakeater said:

That interview pissed me off more than the new Stones video.

Imagine if they'd done a video of it!  To think of what we pay for the Times.

[hollywood10]

What would Ralph Gleason say?

[small h]

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/16/arts/music/jann-wenner-removed-rock-hall.html

Old white guy says stupid shit. So it's a day, then.

Edited September 17, 2023 by small h

[Sneakeater]

It shows the rot at the heart of White Rock.  (As does Eric Clapton.)

I still barf at the thought of the Chicago Disco Demolition Night.

[Behemoth_Munich]

It would be particularly disturbing if the outrage is about “white rock” being cluelessly un-PC, rather than simply how decoupled such assertions are from reality.  

[Sneakeater]

You know what I barf at even more than Disco Demolition Night?

The Clash fans throwing shit at Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five when the Clash chose them to open for them at Bond's in Times Square in the early '80s.

Of course, I'll bet NOW some of those racist pieces of shit are boasting they saw Grandmaster Flash back in the day.

Edited September 17, 2023 by Sneakeater

[Wilfrid]

Racism is speculative. Support bands of all kinds got a bad reception from punk audiences. Suicide had shit thrown at them when they opened for The Clash in the UK and they’re pretty white.

[Sneakeater]

The night I went Joe Ely opened and the crowd liked him just fine.

So maybe they were just reactionary.  

[Sneakeater]

Another problem I have with White Rock. 

[hollywood10]

He's sorry.  https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/music-news/jann-wenner-rock-roll-hall-of-fame-black-female-musicians-comments-1235592239/

[bloviatrix]

Perhaps he's the one who isn't so articulate.

[MitchW]

8 hours ago, Sneakeater said:

The night I went Joe Ely opened and the crowd liked him just fine.

So maybe they were just reactionary.  

Joe's had some health issues recently; think good thoughts for him.

[splinky]

7 hours ago, hollywood10 said:

He's sorry.  https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/music-news/jann-wenner-rock-roll-hall-of-fame-black-female-musicians-comments-1235592239/

“Maybe I should have gone and found one Black and one woman artist to include here that didn’t measure up to that same historical standard, just to avert this kind of criticism,” he said. “Which, I get it. I had a chance to do that. Maybe I’m old-fashioned and I don’t give a [expletive] or whatever. I wish in retrospect I could have interviewed Marvin Gaye. Maybe he’d have been the guy. Maybe Otis Redding, had he lived, would have been the guy.”

 

yeah. so, that's not really an apology

[Wilfrid]

10 hours ago, Sneakeater said:

The night I went Joe Ely opened and the crowd liked him just fine.

So maybe they were just reactionary.  

Very, very intolerant audiences following that generation of punk bands. 

[small h]

1 hour ago, splinky said:

yeah. so, that's not really an apology

What you quoted is from the NYT interview that got him into trouble. The apology part is this:

“In my interview with The New York Times, I made comments that diminished the contributions, genius, and impact of Black and women artists and I apologize wholeheartedly for those remarks,” he said in a statement given to The Hollywood Reporter. “The Masters is a collection of interviews I’ve done over the years that seemed to me to best represent an idea of rock ‘n’ roll’s impact on my world; they were not meant to represent the whole of music and it’s diverse and important originators but to reflect the high points of my career and interviews I felt illustrated the breadth and experience in that career. They don’t reflect my appreciation and admiration for myriad totemic, world-changing artists whose music and ideas I revere and will celebrate and promote as long as I live. I totally understand the inflammatory nature of badly chosen words and deeply apologize and accept the consequences.”

[small h]

Not that anyone should accept it or anything.

[splinky]

27 minutes ago, small h said:

What you quoted is from the NYT interview that got him into trouble. The apology part is this:

“In my interview with The New York Times, I made comments that diminished the contributions, genius, and impact of Black and women artists and I apologize wholeheartedly for those remarks,” he said in a statement given to The Hollywood Reporter. “The Masters is a collection of interviews I’ve done over the years that seemed to me to best represent an idea of rock ‘n’ roll’s impact on my world; they were not meant to represent the whole of music and it’s diverse and important originators but to reflect the high points of my career and interviews I felt illustrated the breadth and experience in that career. They don’t reflect my appreciation and admiration for myriad totemic, world-changing artists whose music and ideas I revere and will celebrate and promote as long as I live. I totally understand the inflammatory nature of badly chosen words and deeply apologize and accept the consequences.”

still not an apology. just word salad

[small h]

At least it's not of the even more useless "if anyone was offended" variety.

[Wilfrid]

I don't even remember reading interviews by Wenner in Rolling Stone, assuming that's where they were published. And I was a regular reader in the 1970s. Maybe these came later.

[mongo]

there's an argument to be made that the white male artists he selected are in fact the ones who best represent the music he's talking about. of course, this is a completely tautological argument since the still ongoing definition of "rock" as a category to mean "the genres of guitar-centered rock predominantly made by white male artists" is a project rolling stone has always been central to. but to explain his myopia instead in terms of the inarticulacy of black and female musicians...chef's kiss!