Eater

[Sneakeater]

2 hours ago, Wilfrid said:

To be blunt, it's about the quest for traffic and thus for advertising dollars. And the ads currently running for date nights and espresso martinis tells you the kind of audience they're targeting.

Wait can I ask a titanically stupid question?

Where are there ads on Eater?  (Maybe I'm so far out of their demographic that I can't see them!)

[backyardchef]

57 minutes ago, Wilfrid said:

Eater doesn't need to do anything for publicists in exchange for access. That's not how it works. The publicists are begging Eater to pay attention.

That was not my experience. But you may have had a different one. I definitely have had pr companies dismiss eater in favor of other publications.

And have seen competition for previews between publications/sites but personally was not in a situation where we desperately sought their coverage. 

[backyardchef]

55 minutes ago, Sneakeater said:

Wait can I ask a titanically stupid question?

Where are there ads on Eater?  (Maybe I'm so far out of their demographic that I can't see them!)

 

[Sneakeater]

Oh wait.

I think I'm the last person in the world who still has an ad blocker enabled.

[backyardchef]

And isn't the important restaurant criticism on tiktok anyway? 

[small h]

1 hour ago, Sneakeater said:

I think I'm the last person in the world who still has an ad blocker enabled.

Wait. People DON’T have ad blockers enabled? 🤯

[Wilfrid]

1 hour ago, backyardchef said:

That was not my experience. But you may have had a different one. I definitely have had pr companies dismiss eater in favor of other publications.

And have seen competition for previews between publications/sites but personally was not in a situation where we desperately sought their coverage. 

Not wanting coverage on Eater (or anywhere else) must be a rare thing, given the pressure on agencies to generate unpaid media coverage. I guarantee you that the staff’s inboxes are filled with PR agencies trying to get their attention.

[backyardchef]

14 minutes ago, Wilfrid said:

Not wanting coverage on Eater (or anywhere else) must be a rare thing, given the pressure on agencies to generate unpaid media coverage. I guarantee you that the staff’s inboxes are filled with PR agencies trying to get their attention.

I have no doubt that their inboxes are filled. 

 

Edited December 19, 2023 by backyardchef

[Sneakeater]

1 hour ago, small h said:

Wait. People DON’T have ad blockers enabled? 🤯

There’s a lot of content I can’t access because of it.

(Which as someone who tries to make a living off generating content I totally understand.)

Edited December 19, 2023 by Sneakeater

[small h]

46 minutes ago, Sneakeater said:

There’s a lot of content I can’t access because of it.

I disable my ad blocker if a site requests it. Or demands it.

47 minutes ago, Sneakeater said:

(Which as someone who tries to make a living off generating content I totally understand.)

Me, too. Still not gonna look at ads unless I have to.

[voyager]

59 minutes ago, small h said:

 Still not gonna look at ads unless I have to.

I scroll past ads.    I can't even tell you the names of advertisers on sites I read.    

[Orik]

3 hours ago, Wilfrid said:

Not wanting coverage on Eater (or anywhere else) must be a rare thing, given the pressure on agencies to generate unpaid media coverage. I guarantee you that the staff’s inboxes are filled with PR agencies trying to get their attention.

I think the concern is with pitching the story first to the best publication that is likely to accept it, not with eventual coverage by multiple outlets. 

eta: this is based on speaking with PR MMFers, I have no first hand experience given my publicity strategy 

[backyardchef]

38 minutes ago, Orik said:

I think the concern is with pitching the story first to the best publication that is likely to accept it, not with eventual coverage by multiple outlets. 

That was definitely one conversation. 

[Wilfrid]

Pitching the story first to the best publication likely to accept it. 

That seems to me to be 101 for a publicist. I honestly don’t know what problem is being indicated here.
 

[Wilfrid]

I mean, it’s an every day thing for me, being pitched exclusives because the publicists would rather I published them than just any outlet.

I am trying to perceive what the problem is.

[Sneakeater]

Who was the desperate one, J.J. Hunsecker or Sidney Falco?

[Sneakeater]

You know, it's hard to remember (at least it's hard for ME to remember) that Eater was originally a follow-up to Gawker, intending to do the restaurant industry what Gawker did to the media industry.

Edited December 20, 2023 by Sneakeater

[backyardchef]

58 minutes ago, Sneakeater said:

Who was the desperate one, J.J. Hunsecker or Sidney Falco?

Rocco

[small h]

https://www.tcm.com/video/241484/diner-1982-cleopatra-on-a-plate/

 

[Sneakeater]

OK, I get it.

The decline of Eater is just part of The Internet Getting Worse.

OK, OK.

[Orik]

On 12/19/2023 at 1:25 PM, backyardchef said:

To be fair-- as a cook I would say that compared to other items there's not a lot of labor even if you are "paying careful attention." I'm sure everything at Foxface is made with close attention.

Carry on hating. 

The surprising answer is that when you're in an environment like ours where everyone is a full time employee, it makes no difference whether a single dish involves more or less work. It's just about overall complexity. 

[backyardchef]

1 hour ago, Orik said:

The surprising answer is that when you're in an environment like ours where everyone is a full time employee, it makes no difference whether a single dish involves more or less work. It's just about overall complexity. 

 

Sure. I love the way Foxface operates. But, generally speaking, breaking down a primal takes more time than prepping a single raw prawn. That may not be reflected in the actual plate cost. The care part I meant was about the attention to detail that goes into every plate--but I think we mean the same thing. 

 

Edited December 21, 2023 by backyardchef

[backyardchef]

6 minutes ago, backyardchef said:

 

 

Edited December 21, 2023 by backyardchef

[Sneakeater]

The jig is up.

Quote

Libertine tops this list for me. As much as I love French food, I’ve had a hard time finding a restaurant that I feel captures the free-wheeling joy of dining in Paris’s hot restaurants.

She "loves" French food and frequents "Paris's hot restaurants" and is considered qualified to write about food professionally without knowing what farci means?

[MitchW]

1 hour ago, Sneakeater said:

The jig is up.

She "loves" French food and frequents "Paris's hot restaurants" and is considered qualified to write about food professionally without knowing what farci means?

At least it wasn't "Libertine is better than most French restaurants in France..."